2014: The Death of the Postmodern Novel and the Rise of Autofiction - Flavorwire

[Mark Thibodeau]

Becky, if you haven't read Ratner's Star, I really recommend it. I consider
it to be Delillo's Gravity's Rainbow in a way... how it views the Modern
construct of scientific Establishment as a closed and insular Secret
Society (complete with its own arcana and codices and "transgressive" areas
of don't-look-there). It's my fave of his.

The four "must read" Delillo's, to me, are Ratner's Star, White Noise,
Libra, and Point Omega.

But that's just me.

Jerky

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com> wrote:

> And I totally looooooooove Delillo’s middle work - from Running Dog
> through Underworld.  It just feels like he totally understood the
> media/paranoia symbiosis then (to say nothing of the interchangeable nature
> of art and trash).  Before that he didn’t quite have it (imo) and after
> that he’d kind of lost it in some indefinable way.  His most recent tome -
> “The Angel Esmeralda” almost has it again but it’s a collection of short
> stories.
>
> Bek
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think a writer who best exemplifies the "Late Modernist becoming
> Postmodernist" is probably Don Dellilo, whose career is split neatly in
> twain by his magnum opus Underworld.
> >
> > Before Underworld, Late Modernist (End Zone, Ratner's Star, White Noise
> and Libra being the prime exemplars). After Underworld, everything is
> short, quick, experimental and style-over-substance with a lot of the
> "depth" of the novel taking place well off the page. The best of this lot
> is the latest, Point Omega, by a far lap.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > Mark T.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> > I think he varies between late Modernist (V, GR) and light Post-Modern
> with a wee tad of Magical Realism thrown in from time to time.   Whatever
> works.   M&D and AtD have some sections which "seem to”  lean into the
> latter, "almost as if”  OBL is expanding himself there.  V, CoL49, Vineland
> feel more Modernist - a drugged out Oedipa does not mean it’s any kind of
> PM.
> >
> > Bek
> >
> > > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Despite this guy's characterization, I still think Pynchon is a late
> Modernist.
> > > But others even on this list call him a postmodernist.
> > >
> > > The term has been flashbacked definitionally to include another great
> > > Englsih novel, Tristram Shandy.
> > > A novel that is all in the digressions. (the great Samuel Johnson,
> > > wrong this time (as Wood will be with
> > > Pynchon) ) said it wouldn't last.."nothing odd will last".
> > >
> > > Man,  is M &D all in the digressions or isn't it?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> Postmodern architecture has been considered a collective
> embarrassment for
> > >> at least 20 years. Neo-modernism reigns now.  It is not the
> evangelical
> > >> modernism of the past. It is all about form, style, magazines.  Green
> > >> architecture is the closest thing we have to early modernism. Third
> world
> > >> outreach architecture too.  I don't know how long Modernism really
> believed
> > >> its story.  In architecture PM has long ago lost its welcome.
> > >>
> > >> David Morris
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> "Like"...yet someone said This articulated below IS also
> postmodernism (
> > >>> who cares, just a label) but
> > >>> The return of realism, the self, different though, is what matters,
> if
> > >>> he's right on.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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