2014: The Death of the Postmodern Novel and the Rise of Autofiction - Flavorwire

[Becky Lindroos]

And I totally looooooooove Delillo’s middle work - from Running Dog through Underworld.  It just feels like he totally understood the media/paranoia symbiosis then (to say nothing of the interchangeable nature of art and trash).  Before that he didn’t quite have it (imo) and after that he’d kind of lost it in some indefinable way.  His most recent tome - “The Angel Esmeralda” almost has it again but it’s a collection of short stories.  

Bek


> On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I think a writer who best exemplifies the "Late Modernist becoming Postmodernist" is probably Don Dellilo, whose career is split neatly in twain by his magnum opus Underworld.
> 
> Before Underworld, Late Modernist (End Zone, Ratner's Star, White Noise and Libra being the prime exemplars). After Underworld, everything is short, quick, experimental and style-over-substance with a lot of the "depth" of the novel taking place well off the page. The best of this lot is the latest, Point Omega, by a far lap.
> 
> Just my two cents.
> 
> Mark T.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com> wrote:
> I think he varies between late Modernist (V, GR) and light Post-Modern with a wee tad of Magical Realism thrown in from time to time.   Whatever works.   M&D and AtD have some sections which "seem to”  lean into the latter, "almost as if”  OBL is expanding himself there.  V, CoL49, Vineland feel more Modernist - a drugged out Oedipa does not mean it’s any kind of PM.
> 
> Bek
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> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:41 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Despite this guy's characterization, I still think Pynchon is a late Modernist.
> > But others even on this list call him a postmodernist.
> >
> > The term has been flashbacked definitionally to include another great
> > Englsih novel, Tristram Shandy.
> > A novel that is all in the digressions. (the great Samuel Johnson,
> > wrong this time (as Wood will be with
> > Pynchon) ) said it wouldn't last.."nothing odd will last".
> >
> > Man,  is M &D all in the digressions or isn't it?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Postmodern architecture has been considered a collective embarrassment for
> >> at least 20 years. Neo-modernism reigns now.  It is not the evangelical
> >> modernism of the past. It is all about form, style, magazines.  Green
> >> architecture is the closest thing we have to early modernism. Third world
> >> outreach architecture too.  I don't know how long Modernism really believed
> >> its story.  In architecture PM has long ago lost its welcome.
> >>
> >> David Morris
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Like"...yet someone said This articulated below IS also postmodernism (
> >>> who cares, just a label) but
> >>> The return of realism, the self, different though, is what matters, if
> >>> he's right on.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://flavorwire.com/496570/2014-the-death-of-the-postmodern-novel-and-the-rise-of-autofiction
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> >>>
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