Re: GR translation: Yes well Pirate’s Chapel himself.

[Mike Jing]

Excellent explanation as always, Monte.  Guess I'll be adding a footnote
for that.   Thanks to all who have responded, Laura and Paul in
particular.  Can't do it without your help.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:00 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul's nailed it: check "low church" in Wikipedia, Mike. Less to the
> Catholic-Episcopalian side of Anglicanism, more to the ever-schisming
> Presbyterian/Methodist/etc side... less cathedral, more meeting-house....
> less hierarchical authority, more Biblical authority.
>
> In context, I think TRP's voice here edges into speaking for Pirate. The
> latter is reacting with distancing -- even a bit of embarrassment -- to the
> way the Fascist/Catholic Rexists blurred priest-acolyte relationships and
> homosexuality: as if PP is saying ahem, well, not my sort of thing, I'm
> Chapel myself.
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It means he's not affiliated with the established church of England.
>>
>> More protestant oriented, book of common prayer rather than holy
>> communion and such. Farther away from Rome.
>>
>> It might be called low church, although that term is a little pejorative
>> or can be.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Laura <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I read it as Pirate IS Chapel. I.e. he's church-raised himself, although
>>> not Catholic.
>>>
>>> LK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Pirate's Chapel would be his own place of personal worship.
>>> Historically, European palaces had their personal, familial chapels. In
>>> this context, Pirate's Chapel would be his own interior place of personal
>>> perdition and guilt.  Katje and Pirate share a personal chapel, a shrine in
>>> their hearts, that does not absolve them from their crimes.  In that regard
>>> GR makes them this novel's greatest heroes, apart from Slothrup.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> V546.13-41  “My little brother” (Pirate understands the connection she
>>>> has made) “left home at 18. I liked to watch him sleeping at night. His
>>>> long eyelashes . . . so innocent . . . I watched for hours . . . . He got
>>>> as far as Antwerp. Before long he was loitering around parish churches with
>>>> the rest of them. Do you know what I mean? Young, Catholic males. Camp
>>>> followers. They got to depend on alcohol, many of them, at an early age.
>>>> They would choose a particular priest, and become his faithful
>>>> dog—literally wait all night at his doorstep in order to talk to him fresh
>>>> from his bed, his linen, the intimate smells that had not yet escaped the
>>>> folds of his garment . . . insane jealousies, daily jostling for position,
>>>> for the favors of this Father or that. Louis began to attend Rexist
>>>> meetings. He went out to a soccer field and heard Degrelle tell the crowd
>>>> that they must let themselves be swept away by the flood, they must act,
>>>> act, and let the rest take care of itself. Soon my brother was out in the
>>>> street with his broom, along with the other guilty sarcastic young men with
>>>> their brooms in their hands . . . and then he had joined Rex, the ‘realm of
>>>> total souls,’ and the last I heard he was in Antwerp living with an older
>>>> man named Philippe. I lost track of him. We were very close at one time.
>>>> People took us for twins. When the heavy rocket attacks began against
>>>> Antwerp I knew it could not be an accident . . . .”
>>>>        Yes well Pirate’s Chapel himself. “But I’ve wondered about the
>>>> solidarity of your Church . . . you kneel, and she takes care of you . . .
>>>> when you are acting politically, to have all that common momentum,
>>>> taking you upward—”
>>>>        “You never had that either, did you.” She’s been looking really
>>>> at him—”none of the marvelous excuses. We did everything ourselves.”
>>>>        No, there’s no leaving shame after all—not down here—it has to
>>>> be swallowed sharp-edged and ugly, and lived with in pain, every day.
>>>>
>>>> What's does the sentence "Yes well Pirate’s Chapel himself" mean?
>>>>
>>>
>>
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