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Wed Jan 7 11:29:51 CST 2015

My take on Jung's concept of "Self" is that it is ultimately unknowable,
like the center of a spiral that one can aim at and approach for in
infinity without ever reaching it.  Like God.

David Morris

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jung's version of depth connection was more to do with interior dialog.
> Most of us spend a great deal more time in unspoken dialog with various
> 'others', or various perspectives within ourselves, than we do with actual
> other people. The quality of that interior dialog and how to raise, or
> deepen it, is what Jung pursued. He even identified the subjective "I" as
> merely another position in the dialog, rather than as the "self" of
> Lacanian thought. Jung's self was the totality of the interior dialogical
> positions. Connection with others is highly dependent upon the relative
> integration of the individual's many voices. Might be interesting to watch
> how that sort of read plays out as we go.
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, did not think you would, but thought Jung might have, but know
>> almost nothing. Do you think psychological or spiritual
>> depth connection is a deeper way of saying "inner life", that phrase w
>> little content (in itself)
>>
>> Here is the part from Iyer that made me think of the Pynchon and his
>> vision of connecting with oneself's being--of should that be Being/-- in
>> the world.    Again, not new or profound but Cyprian's way to wisdom?
>>
>> As friends hurried off to the airport for Rio or Hawaii, I sat in my
>> little room and watched the sun burn on the water down below. Light flooded
>> into the space every afternoon and then, in the magic hour, the whole place
>> began to glow. I nibbled at breakfast bars and listened to public radio and
>> did nothing at all, the way it isn’t always easy to do if you’ve paid half
>> your annual income to go to Mauritius. Moments carried a depth, a weight,
>> of both emotion and association, they’d seldom have in Vegas. It’s not so
>> much that we lack food, I remembered Simone Weil suggesting, as that we
>> won’t acknowledge that we’re hungry.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Inner life" is not a term I've ever used. Psychological or spiritual
>>> depth connection, yes.  That is in everything Pynchon writes, always in a
>>> questioning mode.  I think it is all over M&D.  I'll point it out when it
>>> pops upp in the discussion.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:41 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Misc. I thought of this--inner life, perhaps gotten most from Rilke
>>>>> and Jung?--- as a Pynchon theme. Although not too much in M & D. is there?
>>>>> Perhaps we had more of an inner life then?
>>>>>
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