M&D Deep Duck 4-6: Yet another reason M&D starts at sea

[alice malice]

Also unspeakable, unspoken of, silenced, are the countless examples of
governments, including, of course, Our Own, of fabricating history,
making Martyrs, and escalating conflicts. These Histories, made by
governments, such as the infamous Gulf of Tonkin  Incident, are set
against the fiction making of the narrator, and, the author, and here,
against the protagonists, of M&D. It is fitting that Dixon suspect
that they boys were to be made martyrs, that Mason finds the idea
terrible. BTW,  Mason would describe his Government and his God with
the adjective. Terrible: awesome, formidable, powerful. to be feared.
Grace bestows a fear of the Lord.



On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> pp 44-45.." 'Terrible, well, as to 'Terrible'..." And what they cannot
> speak, some of it not yet, some of it never,  resumes breathless
> Sovereignty in the wax-lit Rooms.
>
> Death......in the equivalent of the Drawing Rooms....
>
> Cf. "whereof what one cannot speak, one must pass over in
> silence"---Wittgenstein (Although he meant something different than
> Death, which 'was not an event in life", he said.)
> And Mrs. Dalloway.....how dare they talk about death at my party--paraphrase.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:12 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>
>> On 28.01.2015 19:28, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>> Pynchon's navy experience was obviously a formative one, given how much
>>> ships are used as plot devices, or at least referenced, in his books. So
>>> many ripe connections and metaphors. Or is it all about Moby Dick, Alice?
>>>
>>> Ships in his other books (please add to this list!):
>>>
>>> V: Profane's a Navy man, and there are multiple shipboard scenes.
>>>
>>> COL49: Mike Fallopian's recounting of a naval encounter between Russian
>>> and American ships. More on this from Martin Eve:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.academia.edu/1037657/Historical_Sources_for_Pynchons_Peter_Pinguid_Society
>>> GR: Well, the Anubis, of course, and the hijacked U-boat, the toilet ship.
>>>
>>
>> Then there's the vessel of Frau Gnahb:
>>
>> "'please, mother,' silent otto plaintive in the window of the pilot house.
>> in reply the good woman commences bellowing a bloodthirsty ~ sea chanty ~
>> i'm the pirate queen of the baltic run, and nobody fucks ~ with me--- ~ and
>> those who've tried are bones and skulls, and lie beneath ~ the sea. ~ and
>> the little fish like messengers swim in and out their eyes, ~ singing, 'fuck
>> ye not with gory gnahb and her desperate ~ enterprise!' ~ i'll tangle with a
>> battleship, i'll massacre a sloop, ~ i've sent a hundred souls to hell in
>> one relentless swoop--- ~ i've seen the flying dutchman, and each time we
>> pass, he cries, ~ 'oh, steer me clear of gory gnahb, and her desperate ~
>> enterprise!' ~ whereupon she grips her wheel and accelerates." (pp. 497-498)
>> ~~~ [copied this from the archives, I have no idea why I didn't use caps
>> back then.]
>>
>> Regarding the name Gnahb, Steven Weisenburger notes that it is "a backward
>> spelling of 'bhang'" (Hindu term for marijuana), --- I do hear echoes of the
>> name Ahab, too.
>>
>>
>>> Vineland: Well, not much other than a reference to Zoyd working a cruise
>>> gig for Kahuna Airlines.
>>>
>>> ATD: The SS Stupendica sequence, and the Airship.
>>>
>>> IV: the Golden Fang
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> BE: If I remember, there's a little scene on a ferry boat.
>>>
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