M&D Deep Duck 4-6: Yet another reason M&D starts at sea

[alice malice]

When in Paradise, do as the Paradise People do?

Later in the narrative we know that Pynchon will draw on the popular
image of the Quaker who Fights.

FIGHTING QUAKERS: A JET BLACK WHITENESS,
Jennifer Connerley, Pennsylvania History, Vol. 73, No. 4 (AUTUMN
2006), pp. 373-411

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I like this A LOT. maybe so...I will add that Dixon, with his sensual pleasure-seeking is like Melville's discovery of non-Puritans, of non-western religion, N. O. Brownian, sex/life embracers
> In Typee, maybe?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:38 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dixon strikes me as the most Melville inspired character in Pynchon's
>> works; like Melville, as Hawthorne described him, and as Melville
>> described Starbuck, "He can neither believe, nor be comfortable in his
>> un-belief."  Melville wrote a kinda trilogy on the subject, Mardi,
>> White Jacket, M-D, and, of course, BB and BP continue his interest in
>> Pacifism, War, Slavery, Killing whales and men and how Christians of
>> any denomination rationalize these sins against man, nature, and God.
>>
>> see
>>
>> "To Obey, Rebelling": The Quaker Dilemma in Moby-Dick
>>
>> Wynn M. Goering
>> The New England Quarterly
>> Vol. 54, No. 4 (Dec., 1981), pp. 519-538
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> p. 43....Dixon, the Quaker, sez (now) "We should be happy to proceed
>>> to war upon any people, in any
>>> quarter of the Globe, etc."....WTF?
>>>
>>> After being shelled, after the shit-cleansing of Death-Fear, after
>>> Death now even in the cabin....
>>> Dixon is ready to......do unto others as they are trying to do to him?
>>>
>>> in War, war is a contagion....?
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> p. 42 "neither has bother'd to keep his defensive works mann'd against
>>>> the other."
>>>>
>>>> The concept may go back to the first two homo sapiens, or Adam & Eve
>>>> after that bite,
>>>> and I don't have access to an OED as I type,
>>>> but 'defense mechanisms'..'ego defensiveness'....defensiveness (as
>>>> Psychological term)
>>>> goes no further back than the 1950s in GOOGLE BOOKS citations.
>>>>
>>>> Sort of an anachronous characterization very resonant with the concept
>>>> of mann'd ships fighting
>>>> herein.
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> p. 45 near the bottom....a reduction of possibilities....where did we
>>>>> read that before?....in the words on the cattle drives that reduce
>>>>> choice and possibility as they are led into the slaughterhouse in AtD
>>>>> is one place.                   Cf. "single up all lines"
>>>>>
>>>>> in a book on Finnegans Wake, the curse of the Kabbalah is said to be
>>>>> that it makes mankind 'fearful and dependent"....see lines above these
>>>>> on p. 45
>>>>> 'the curse of Kabbalah, the root source of the reduction of human
>>>>> possibilities"----same book..
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> pp 44-45.." 'Terrible, well, as to 'Terrible'..." And what they cannot
>>>>>> speak, some of it not yet, some of it never,  resumes breathless
>>>>>> Sovereignty in the wax-lit Rooms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Death......in the equivalent of the Drawing Rooms....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cf. "whereof what one cannot speak, one must pass over in
>>>>>> silence"---Wittgenstein (Although he meant something different than
>>>>>> Death, which 'was not an event in life", he said.)
>>>>>> And Mrs. Dalloway.....how dare they talk about death at my party--paraphrase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:12 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>>>>>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 28.01.2015 19:28, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pynchon's navy experience was obviously a formative one, given how much
>>>>>>>> ships are used as plot devices, or at least referenced, in his books. So
>>>>>>>> many ripe connections and metaphors. Or is it all about Moby Dick, Alice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ships in his other books (please add to this list!):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> V: Profane's a Navy man, and there are multiple shipboard scenes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> COL49: Mike Fallopian's recounting of a naval encounter between Russian
>>>>>>>> and American ships. More on this from Martin Eve:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.academia.edu/1037657/Historical_Sources_for_Pynchons_Peter_Pinguid_Society
>>>>>>>> GR: Well, the Anubis, of course, and the hijacked U-boat, the toilet ship.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there's the vessel of Frau Gnahb:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "'please, mother,' silent otto plaintive in the window of the pilot house.
>>>>>>> in reply the good woman commences bellowing a bloodthirsty ~ sea chanty ~
>>>>>>> i'm the pirate queen of the baltic run, and nobody fucks ~ with me--- ~ and
>>>>>>> those who've tried are bones and skulls, and lie beneath ~ the sea. ~ and
>>>>>>> the little fish like messengers swim in and out their eyes, ~ singing, 'fuck
>>>>>>> ye not with gory gnahb and her desperate ~ enterprise!' ~ i'll tangle with a
>>>>>>> battleship, i'll massacre a sloop, ~ i've sent a hundred souls to hell in
>>>>>>> one relentless swoop--- ~ i've seen the flying dutchman, and each time we
>>>>>>> pass, he cries, ~ 'oh, steer me clear of gory gnahb, and her desperate ~
>>>>>>> enterprise!' ~ whereupon she grips her wheel and accelerates." (pp. 497-498)
>>>>>>> ~~~ [copied this from the archives, I have no idea why I didn't use caps
>>>>>>> back then.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the name Gnahb, Steven Weisenburger notes that it is "a backward
>>>>>>> spelling of 'bhang'" (Hindu term for marijuana), --- I do hear echoes of the
>>>>>>> name Ahab, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vineland: Well, not much other than a reference to Zoyd working a cruise
>>>>>>>> gig for Kahuna Airlines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ATD: The SS Stupendica sequence, and the Airship.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IV: the Golden Fang
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BE: If I remember, there's a little scene on a ferry boat.
>>>>>>>>
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