M&D Deep Duck 4-6: Yet another reason M&D starts at sea

[Mark Kohut]

I think I like this A LOT. maybe so...I will add that Dixon, with his sensual pleasure-seeking is like Melville's discovery of non-Puritans, of non-western religion, N. O. Brownian, sex/life embracers
In Typee, maybe? 

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> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:38 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dixon strikes me as the most Melville inspired character in Pynchon's
> works; like Melville, as Hawthorne described him, and as Melville
> described Starbuck, "He can neither believe, nor be comfortable in his
> un-belief."  Melville wrote a kinda trilogy on the subject, Mardi,
> White Jacket, M-D, and, of course, BB and BP continue his interest in
> Pacifism, War, Slavery, Killing whales and men and how Christians of
> any denomination rationalize these sins against man, nature, and God.
> 
> see
> 
> "To Obey, Rebelling": The Quaker Dilemma in Moby-Dick
> 
> Wynn M. Goering
> The New England Quarterly
> Vol. 54, No. 4 (Dec., 1981), pp. 519-538
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> p. 43....Dixon, the Quaker, sez (now) "We should be happy to proceed
>> to war upon any people, in any
>> quarter of the Globe, etc."....WTF?
>> 
>> After being shelled, after the shit-cleansing of Death-Fear, after
>> Death now even in the cabin....
>> Dixon is ready to......do unto others as they are trying to do to him?
>> 
>> in War, war is a contagion....?
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> p. 42 "neither has bother'd to keep his defensive works mann'd against
>>> the other."
>>> 
>>> The concept may go back to the first two homo sapiens, or Adam & Eve
>>> after that bite,
>>> and I don't have access to an OED as I type,
>>> but 'defense mechanisms'..'ego defensiveness'....defensiveness (as
>>> Psychological term)
>>> goes no further back than the 1950s in GOOGLE BOOKS citations.
>>> 
>>> Sort of an anachronous characterization very resonant with the concept
>>> of mann'd ships fighting
>>> herein.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> p. 45 near the bottom....a reduction of possibilities....where did we
>>>> read that before?....in the words on the cattle drives that reduce
>>>> choice and possibility as they are led into the slaughterhouse in AtD
>>>> is one place.                   Cf. "single up all lines"
>>>> 
>>>> in a book on Finnegans Wake, the curse of the Kabbalah is said to be
>>>> that it makes mankind 'fearful and dependent"....see lines above these
>>>> on p. 45
>>>> 'the curse of Kabbalah, the root source of the reduction of human
>>>> possibilities"----same book..
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> pp 44-45.." 'Terrible, well, as to 'Terrible'..." And what they cannot
>>>>> speak, some of it not yet, some of it never,  resumes breathless
>>>>> Sovereignty in the wax-lit Rooms.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Death......in the equivalent of the Drawing Rooms....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cf. "whereof what one cannot speak, one must pass over in
>>>>> silence"---Wittgenstein (Although he meant something different than
>>>>> Death, which 'was not an event in life", he said.)
>>>>> And Mrs. Dalloway.....how dare they talk about death at my party--paraphrase.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:12 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>>>>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 28.01.2015 19:28, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pynchon's navy experience was obviously a formative one, given how much
>>>>>>> ships are used as plot devices, or at least referenced, in his books. So
>>>>>>> many ripe connections and metaphors. Or is it all about Moby Dick, Alice?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ships in his other books (please add to this list!):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> V: Profane's a Navy man, and there are multiple shipboard scenes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> COL49: Mike Fallopian's recounting of a naval encounter between Russian
>>>>>>> and American ships. More on this from Martin Eve:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.academia.edu/1037657/Historical_Sources_for_Pynchons_Peter_Pinguid_Society
>>>>>>> GR: Well, the Anubis, of course, and the hijacked U-boat, the toilet ship.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then there's the vessel of Frau Gnahb:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "'please, mother,' silent otto plaintive in the window of the pilot house.
>>>>>> in reply the good woman commences bellowing a bloodthirsty ~ sea chanty ~
>>>>>> i'm the pirate queen of the baltic run, and nobody fucks ~ with me--- ~ and
>>>>>> those who've tried are bones and skulls, and lie beneath ~ the sea. ~ and
>>>>>> the little fish like messengers swim in and out their eyes, ~ singing, 'fuck
>>>>>> ye not with gory gnahb and her desperate ~ enterprise!' ~ i'll tangle with a
>>>>>> battleship, i'll massacre a sloop, ~ i've sent a hundred souls to hell in
>>>>>> one relentless swoop--- ~ i've seen the flying dutchman, and each time we
>>>>>> pass, he cries, ~ 'oh, steer me clear of gory gnahb, and her desperate ~
>>>>>> enterprise!' ~ whereupon she grips her wheel and accelerates." (pp. 497-498)
>>>>>> ~~~ [copied this from the archives, I have no idea why I didn't use caps
>>>>>> back then.]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regarding the name Gnahb, Steven Weisenburger notes that it is "a backward
>>>>>> spelling of 'bhang'" (Hindu term for marijuana), --- I do hear echoes of the
>>>>>> name Ahab, too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Vineland: Well, not much other than a reference to Zoyd working a cruise
>>>>>>> gig for Kahuna Airlines.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ATD: The SS Stupendica sequence, and the Airship.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IV: the Golden Fang
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> BE: If I remember, there's a little scene on a ferry boat.
>>>>>>> 
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