Greece is a pawn that has captured nothing

[Joseph Tracy]

It does seem like still an open question in several ways : 1)Can Tsiparis or the newly elected party leaders  be tempted away from their current stance with personal promises or a chance to play with the big boys?  
2)Is he tapping into an inevitable showdown between an anti-austerity populism with its political appeal on one hand, and the power of the central bankers and the guns behind them on the other?A showdown where they might have major allies?  2b) How violent might that get and who would enforce payment of debt if Greece is un-budging. How much bullying before people unite politically against the 1%.
 3) How many Europeans are not well represented by the corporate ruling leaders and might see that Greece's struggle is much more their struggle than the wars of empire generated by the US's brilliant plan to liberate  Iraq and Afghanistan or those brewing against say Iran or Russia. 
4) The real  question is whether there is a strategy for change emerging with Tsiparis and his economic team that will show a way forward for Greece, because that will surely spread to others. Part of their appeal is  a plan to adequately tax Greece's wealthy. So they aren't relying on making germany the sole bad guy. Their proposals are radical but if they can change their own country in ways that carry a strong majority, ??? Greece Spain and Portugal  have had a fair taste of their own versions of European fascism  and all are under austerity pressures, and all have much room for internal reform. 
5) What does Greece have to lose that they might not gain back in solidarity, resourcefulness, and a larger network of support for change?

Is Krugman taking the rather anti-democratic position that taxpayers and their supposedly sovereign democracies should be forced , no matter the cost to pay for a housing bubble created out of the fraudulent collusion of the central bankers? Isn't this question of democracy one of the possible reasons he has avoided writing about the troubles in Euro-land, or about our own central bank's investments to bail out the reigning powers in Europe, really just another clash between the bankers and reality( psst infinite economic growth is an exposed myth). Of course Krugman never saw the crash of 08 coming at all, which, for me, put rather a hole in his credibility as an economic genius.
And on a simpler level Isn't he saying that Greeks and actual Roosevelt style lefties are a special class of  lazy bastards who deserve serfdom.





On Jan 31, 2015, at 7:03 PM, jochen stremmel wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiIO4YciewU&sns=tw%20%E2%80%A6%20via%20@youtube
> 
> 2015-02-01 0:56 GMT+01:00 alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com>:
> Yes, Greece has captured the attention of the Spanish Left, and lots
> of others, once again. Grexit is number one on the Charts and Spanick
> at the Euro is moving up.
> 
> In the end, Greece will make a deal. It may be a good deal for the
> poor and that's what a Left Party should be about. Right?
> 
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > Some seem to be dancing:On the heels of leftist Syriza’s victory in Greece, Spain’s own left party Podemos garnered outstanding support at a Madrid rally attended by tens of thousands on Saturday.
> > On Jan 31, 2015, at 1:40 PM, alice malice wrote:
> >
> >> when the Greeks break plates everybody dances? Not this time....the
> >> boy has cried wolf too many times now.   Meet the new boss same as the
> >> old boss. They will cut a deal to "default" and take their medicine.
> >> Iceland is not Greece.
> >>
> >> The commodities so-called super cycle was driven by the expected
> >> demand from China and the newly developing economies, oil was the last
> >> bubble in the cycle to pop, the supply and capacity, productivity
> >> continues to rise though the increase in demand, in China and
> >> elsewhere dis-inflates, the demand in the developed world declines, so
> >> these are not the assets that will increase, but stocks, bonds, the
> >> dollar.
> >>
> >> There are plenty of risks, but the Empire loves risks and will thrive on them.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >>> This assumes huge stability for the EU and the global bankers' kingdoms.  A stability whose foundations were brought into question in 2008.  The Greek people have tried Krugman's "help" and it is a world of pain, suicide and humiliation.  Contrast this with the Icelandic response in 2008,  and what path would you have chosen? Already major ripples through the markets with this, cheap oil, and Switzerland's recent banking decisions.
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 31, 2015, at 9:30 AM, alice malice wrote:
> >>>> which will keep
> >>>> wages down even as asset prices rise. That's CAPITAL in the Empire.
> >>> Not all assets:"The world’s leading index of commodity prices has slumped to its lowest level in more than 12 years as China slows and America hints at tightening monetary policy. The Bloomberg Commodity index, which tracks the prices of 22 different commodity prices such as gold, natural gas and oil, fell 0.3pc to 99.84 in early trading, the lowest point since August 2002. "
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> While Greece has moved forward on the German and EU board, as Krugman
> >>>> explains, it has done so with grave and serious risk to its citizens,
> >>>> non-citizen workers, its sovereignty, its wealth, it ports, its
> >>>> infrastructure, its credit rating and so on.
> >>>>
> >>>> It has captured nothing but the attention of the players who have
> >>>> advanced Greece on the board. These are the United States and China.
> >>>> Russia, making the news as some sort of ally to Greece is a mere gas
> >>>> station, supplier of resources and soon, military technology to China,
> >>>> for Russia has no choice but to give up all Economic positives, with
> >>>> the exception of the Putin-cronies who continue to rape the nation,
> >>>> for possible Geo-political ones.
> >>>>
> >>>> China is eating Russia and Putin is feeding them with deal upon deal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Greece needs restructuring of debt, that is, a way to default on the
> >>>> debt it can not be expected to pay, and it will get this for the West.
> >>>>
> >>>> All else is just a pawn in a good position for now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Greece has captured nothing.
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