BE -- "death wish for the planet"

[Jochen Stremmel]

Not in the ass! You wish?

2016-02-27 18:43 GMT+01:00 ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>:

> Of course, P hedges his satire of Ernie in several ways, not the least
> of which is that the text also suggests that his daughters are
> attracted to fascists and pigs not because of anything on the Tube or
> in Film or mass produced culture (the Tube) but because of something
> in them, something in females,  just because they are female, or, to
> complicate matters, because of some variation on the Electra Complex
> ...etc.
>
> Hedging is not quite what he does, it's that ironies, like Jewish
> Lefty raised Girl falls for German Commodities trader with fascist
> face of Hunky Nazi Hollywood Star than gets fucked in the ass by a
> Neo-Con and ends up with his Wife talking US South American
> politics.....and on and on turning the old daisy chain of screws so
> that we get  hysterically inflated to the bursting point of a million
> laughs on every absurdity turned inside out and backward.
>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:30 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:28 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Ernie is a fool. Not a bad person or anything, a cool old guy who can
> >> keep the children amused and tell cold war stories, but a fool who,
> >> like so many of his political and paranoid persuasion, applies a
> >> paranoid political analysis to his family and parents his children and
> >> grandchildren by an analysis that, while theoretically handy for
> >> global and national, political, social and cultural stuff, the
> >> zeitgeist, the times that are a changing, is useless and even
> >> dangerous when applied to one's own life, to one's family and
> >> neighborhood. We might think of P's satire of Ernie as a critique,
> >> from the Left of the Left's use of Doctor Spock and the debate he was
> >> dragged into over the Vietnam War and Resistance to it.
> >>
> >> Ernie's parenting, his politics, his paranoid politics, about Cop
> >> shows and the like, the text makes clear, was what, in large measure,
> >> as he admits in this chapter, and as is developed throughout the book,
> >> drove his daughters to fascists and pigs.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Thomas Eckhardt
> >> <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> >>> Ernie on the internet in BE:
> >>>
> >>> "'As it kept growing, it never stopped carrying in his heart a
> bitter-cold
> >>> death wish for the planet, and don't think anything has changed, kid.'"
> >>>
> >>> BE, 420
> >>>
> >>> John Kennedy on the search for peace:
> >>>
> >>> "We must, therefore, preserve in the search for peace in the hope that
> >>> constructive changes within the Communist bloc might bring within reach
> >>> solutions which now seem beyond us. We must conduct our affairs in
> such a
> >>> way that it becomes in the Communists' interest to agree on a genuine
> peace.
> >>> Above all, while defending our vital interest, nuclear powers must
> avert
> >>> those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a
> >>> humiliating retreat or a nuclear war. To adopt that kind of course in
> the
> >>> nuclear age would be evidence only of the bankruptcy of our policy --
> or of
> >>> a collective death-wish for the world."
> >>>
> >>> http://www1.american.edu/media/speeches/Kennedy.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Kennedy also said:
> >>>
> >>> "In short, both the United States and its allies, and the Soviet Union
> and
> >>> its allies, have a mutually deep interest in a just and genuine peace
> and in
> >>> halting the arms race. Agreements to this end are in the interests of
> the
> >>> Soviet Union as well as ours -- and even the most hostile nations can
> be
> >>> relied upon to accept and keep those treaty obligations, and only those
> >>> treaty obligations, which are in their own interest.
> >>>
> >>> So, let us not be blind to our differences -- but let us also direct
> >>> attention to our common interests and to means by which those
> differences
> >>> can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we
> can
> >>> help make the world safe for diversity. For, in the final analysis,
> our most
> >>> basic common link is that we all inhabit this planet. We all breathe
> the
> >>> same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal."
> >>>
> >>> Quite impressive.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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