Tangentially Pynchon. see today's Google Doodle

Wed May 4 23:17:23 CDT 2016

Is this all really necessary?

Jerky

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> In short: "Anarchy" in a headline is good click-bait, but useless for actual
> content, or so it seems.
>
> Lessons?
> 1. When quick googling for desired "connections" of the day, one should dig
> deeper than headline words before proclaiming abroad having found such
> "connections.'
> 2.  Clinging to such shallow connections in a debate (especially online)
> should generally be avoided, for obvious reasons (FAIL).
> 3.  Arguing with an architect about architectural theory should especially
> be avoided (and especially with an old architect), unless one has studied
> architectural theory, and, even then might be inadvisable.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1970/01/01/an-urban-anarchist/
>> book review headline using the word Anarchist (paywall to read the wole
>> thing - but no use of anarchy in snippet provided):
>> An Urban Anarchist
>> Richard Sennett
>> JANUARY 1, 1970 ISSUE
>> The Economy of Cities
>> by Jane Jacobs
>>
>> http://www.wangyujian.com/?p=482&lang=en
>> A very good essay (that has a very good analysis of JJ's urban theory
>> principles as applied to Hong Kong with "anarchy" in its title (but not used
>> within the essay).
>>
>> https://mises.org/library/jane-jacobs-anti-planner
>> An Austrian Economics website (Libertarian Cult) that hijacks JJ for their
>> purposes.  Not a credible source by any means of Jane Jacobs theories.
>>
>> Pretty thin soup so far...  Your attempt to make "everything connect" to
>> Pynchon via JJ's death isn't connecting.
>>
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How many places have you found that phrase, and how is it used?  Unless
>>> you can go there, your "others" aren't of much use or authority.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes you are, I know, as my last post acknowledged. I may perhaps be more
>>>> versed in historic meanings of anarchism than you are, if that's the game.
>>>>
>>>> I invoke others more famous and often more right than either of us re "
>>>> anarchism in her vision"
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On May 4, 2016, at 5:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what that statement means, but I do know that I am far
>>>> more versed with Jane Jacob's ideals than you.  But call in anarchism if
>>>> that floats your boat.
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I repeat.....many see it as that lost strand of anarchism which history
>>>>> has buried. We differ on meanings to anarchism as recent posts show, so it
>>>>> be.
>>>>>
>>>>> I align behind ALL THOSE who see that anarchist's dance from Lot 49 and
>>>>> non-violent anarchism in Against the Day ( NOT the parody of anarchism as a
>>>>> GAME) as akin to her urban vision. Or vice versa.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 4, 2016, at 5:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> To champion grass-roots  social-based urbanism (championing "urban
>>>>> villages," essentially) as opposed to the modernist urban renewal ideals of
>>>>> her time, doesn't make her in any way anarchistic.  She was opposed to
>>>>> Modernism's ideals for urbanism.  It has now long been recognized that her
>>>>> concepts of an organic people-oriented urbanism is much more livable than
>>>>> what she opposed.  Essentially she was pointing out that the ghettos that
>>>>> were being torn down were much more livable that the Pruitt-Igoe style
>>>>> urbanism that was being proposed to replace it.  She was right.  Labeling
>>>>> that stance as "anarchism" is silly and misses the main ideas she promoted.
>>>>>
>>>>> This (Pruitt-Igoe) is what she opposed:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-high-rise-urban-america-history-cities
>>>>>
>>>>> And the earlier city which surrounds the project (which was not the
>>>>> product of anarchy in any meaningful sense - except as opposed to
>>>>> Pruitt-Igoe)  in the photo is what she championed.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a deep strain of human-sized, freedom-embracing,
>>>>>> non-top-down, self-organizing activities which
>>>>>> have been written about even here as 'anarchism'. See the anarchist
>>>>>> dance in Lot 49.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacob's vision of city life has been seen under these concepts by many
>>>>>> for a long time: Here is the estimable
>>>>>> Richard Sennet for one: As Jane Jacobs points out, high concentration
>>>>>> of dwelling units per acre and high land coverage are essential to the ...
>>>>>> 1969), and the appreciative review by Richard Sennett, “The Anarchism of
>>>>>> Jane Jacobs,” New York Review of Books ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are scores more which I am not hunting down. it is her vision of
>>>>>> urban living, and parts of mumford's which might relate
>>>>>> them to Pynchon and are what I was referring to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jane Jacobs was in no way connected to anarchism, but, like Mumford,
>>>>>>> she was a proponent of urban living, as are most architects just about
>>>>>>> anywhere...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> about urban theorist Jane Jacobs. Read up and see that
>>>>>>>> she shared many notions with Lewis Mumford, discussed a lot
>>>>>>>> here on the List. Her ideas of a vibrant diverse 'anarchic' street
>>>>>>>> and storefront life might dovetail with many of P's meanings of
>>>>>>>> anarchic goodness.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remember that she lived in Greenwich Village, near Barthelme
>>>>>>>> (therefore
>>>>>>>> Pynchon) I believe and Grace Paley and her husband
>>>>>>>> most of the time TRP was supposed to have
>>>>>>>> lived there. I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything connects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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