Tangentially Pynchon. see today's Google Doodle

[David Morris]

No one is obliged to read all this.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:17 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Is this all really necessary?
>
> Jerky
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > In short: "Anarchy" in a headline is good click-bait, but useless for
> actual
> > content, or so it seems.
> >
> > Lessons?
> > 1. When quick googling for desired "connections" of the day, one should
> dig
> > deeper than headline words before proclaiming abroad having found such
> > "connections.'
> > 2.  Clinging to such shallow connections in a debate (especially online)
> > should generally be avoided, for obvious reasons (FAIL).
> > 3.  Arguing with an architect about architectural theory should
> especially
> > be avoided (and especially with an old architect), unless one has studied
> > architectural theory, and, even then might be inadvisable.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1970/01/01/an-urban-anarchist/
> >> book review headline using the word Anarchist (paywall to read the wole
> >> thing - but no use of anarchy in snippet provided):
> >> An Urban Anarchist
> >> Richard Sennett
> >> JANUARY 1, 1970 ISSUE
> >> The Economy of Cities
> >> by Jane Jacobs
> >>
> >> http://www.wangyujian.com/?p=482&lang=en
> >> A very good essay (that has a very good analysis of JJ's urban theory
> >> principles as applied to Hong Kong with "anarchy" in its title (but not
> used
> >> within the essay).
> >>
> >> https://mises.org/library/jane-jacobs-anti-planner
> >> An Austrian Economics website (Libertarian Cult) that hijacks JJ for
> their
> >> purposes.  Not a credible source by any means of Jane Jacobs theories.
> >>
> >> Pretty thin soup so far...  Your attempt to make "everything connect" to
> >> Pynchon via JJ's death isn't connecting.
> >>
> >>
> >> David Morris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How many places have you found that phrase, and how is it used?  Unless
> >>> you can go there, your "others" aren't of much use or authority.
> >>>
> >>> David Morris
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes you are, I know, as my last post acknowledged. I may perhaps be
> more
> >>>> versed in historic meanings of anarchism than you are, if that's the
> game.
> >>>>
> >>>> I invoke others more famous and often more right than either of us re
> "
> >>>> anarchism in her vision"
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On May 4, 2016, at 5:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have no idea what that statement means, but I do know that I am far
> >>>> more versed with Jane Jacob's ideals than you.  But call in anarchism
> if
> >>>> that floats your boat.
> >>>>
> >>>> David Morris
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I repeat.....many see it as that lost strand of anarchism which
> history
> >>>>> has buried. We differ on meanings to anarchism as recent posts show,
> so it
> >>>>> be.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I align behind ALL THOSE who see that anarchist's dance from Lot 49
> and
> >>>>> non-violent anarchism in Against the Day ( NOT the parody of
> anarchism as a
> >>>>> GAME) as akin to her urban vision. Or vice versa.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On May 4, 2016, at 5:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To champion grass-roots  social-based urbanism (championing "urban
> >>>>> villages," essentially) as opposed to the modernist urban renewal
> ideals of
> >>>>> her time, doesn't make her in any way anarchistic.  She was opposed
> to
> >>>>> Modernism's ideals for urbanism.  It has now long been recognized
> that her
> >>>>> concepts of an organic people-oriented urbanism is much more livable
> than
> >>>>> what she opposed.  Essentially she was pointing out that the ghettos
> that
> >>>>> were being torn down were much more livable that the Pruitt-Igoe
> style
> >>>>> urbanism that was being proposed to replace it.  She was right.
> Labeling
> >>>>> that stance as "anarchism" is silly and misses the main ideas she
> promoted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This (Pruitt-Igoe) is what she opposed:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-high-rise-urban-america-history-cities
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the earlier city which surrounds the project (which was not the
> >>>>> product of anarchy in any meaningful sense - except as opposed to
> >>>>> Pruitt-Igoe)  in the photo is what she championed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David Morris
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is a deep strain of human-sized, freedom-embracing,
> >>>>>> non-top-down, self-organizing activities which
> >>>>>> have been written about even here as 'anarchism'. See the anarchist
> >>>>>> dance in Lot 49.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jacob's vision of city life has been seen under these concepts by
> many
> >>>>>> for a long time: Here is the estimable
> >>>>>> Richard Sennet for one: As Jane Jacobs points out, high
> concentration
> >>>>>> of dwelling units per acre and high land coverage are essential to
> the ...
> >>>>>> 1969), and the appreciative review by Richard Sennett, “The
> Anarchism of
> >>>>>> Jane Jacobs,” New York Review of Books ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are scores more which I am not hunting down. it is her vision
> of
> >>>>>> urban living, and parts of mumford's which might relate
> >>>>>> them to Pynchon and are what I was referring to.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jane Jacobs was in no way connected to anarchism, but, like
> Mumford,
> >>>>>>> she was a proponent of urban living, as are most architects just
> about
> >>>>>>> anywhere...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> David Morris
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> about urban theorist Jane Jacobs. Read up and see that
> >>>>>>>> she shared many notions with Lewis Mumford, discussed a lot
> >>>>>>>> here on the List. Her ideas of a vibrant diverse 'anarchic' street
> >>>>>>>> and storefront life might dovetail with many of P's meanings of
> >>>>>>>> anarchic goodness.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Remember that she lived in Greenwich Village, near Barthelme
> >>>>>>>> (therefore
> >>>>>>>> Pynchon) I believe and Grace Paley and her husband
> >>>>>>>> most of the time TRP was supposed to have
> >>>>>>>> lived there. I think.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Everything connects.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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