Tangentially Pynchon. see today's Google Doodle

[Mark Kohut]

you can stop at Becoming Jane Jacobs by a major university press:

No one is obliged to read anything on the plist and as Mark T. says, Do we
need this?and No we don't I should have
left it at your first remark but was not going to let it rest at your last.
You post that I had nothing but 'thin soup' superficially learned from a
Google search.

As I keep saying, no one is questioning your
superior architectural knowledge of Jacobs" work...but sometimes, as TRP
said of scholars who go high-flying, "it's all on the page"....

'Street ballet"---Jacobs    is akin to ....anarchist's dance scene in Lot
49. (and other anarchism allusions) That's the simple basis of my remark of
yesterday
and the fact that TRP lived near Jane while she was writing and being an
activist with her street life notions.



On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 8:04 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> No one is obliged to read all this.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:17 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is this all really necessary?
>>
>> Jerky
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In short: "Anarchy" in a headline is good click-bait, but useless for
>> actual
>> > content, or so it seems.
>> >
>> > Lessons?
>> > 1. When quick googling for desired "connections" of the day, one should
>> dig
>> > deeper than headline words before proclaiming abroad having found such
>> > "connections.'
>> > 2.  Clinging to such shallow connections in a debate (especially online)
>> > should generally be avoided, for obvious reasons (FAIL).
>> > 3.  Arguing with an architect about architectural theory should
>> especially
>> > be avoided (and especially with an old architect), unless one has
>> studied
>> > architectural theory, and, even then might be inadvisable.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1970/01/01/an-urban-anarchist/
>> >> book review headline using the word Anarchist (paywall to read the wole
>> >> thing - but no use of anarchy in snippet provided):
>> >> An Urban Anarchist
>> >> Richard Sennett
>> >> JANUARY 1, 1970 ISSUE
>> >> The Economy of Cities
>> >> by Jane Jacobs
>> >>
>> >> http://www.wangyujian.com/?p=482&lang=en
>> >> A very good essay (that has a very good analysis of JJ's urban theory
>> >> principles as applied to Hong Kong with "anarchy" in its title (but
>> not used
>> >> within the essay).
>> >>
>> >> https://mises.org/library/jane-jacobs-anti-planner
>> >> An Austrian Economics website (Libertarian Cult) that hijacks JJ for
>> their
>> >> purposes.  Not a credible source by any means of Jane Jacobs theories.
>> >>
>> >> Pretty thin soup so far...  Your attempt to make "everything connect"
>> to
>> >> Pynchon via JJ's death isn't connecting.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David Morris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> How many places have you found that phrase, and how is it used?
>> Unless
>> >>> you can go there, your "others" aren't of much use or authority.
>> >>>
>> >>> David Morris
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes you are, I know, as my last post acknowledged. I may perhaps be
>> more
>> >>>> versed in historic meanings of anarchism than you are, if that's the
>> game.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I invoke others more famous and often more right than either of us
>> re "
>> >>>> anarchism in her vision"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On May 4, 2016, at 5:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have no idea what that statement means, but I do know that I am far
>> >>>> more versed with Jane Jacob's ideals than you.  But call in
>> anarchism if
>> >>>> that floats your boat.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David Morris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I repeat.....many see it as that lost strand of anarchism which
>> history
>> >>>>> has buried. We differ on meanings to anarchism as recent posts
>> show, so it
>> >>>>> be.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I align behind ALL THOSE who see that anarchist's dance from Lot 49
>> and
>> >>>>> non-violent anarchism in Against the Day ( NOT the parody of
>> anarchism as a
>> >>>>> GAME) as akin to her urban vision. Or vice versa.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On May 4, 2016, at 5:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To champion grass-roots  social-based urbanism (championing "urban
>> >>>>> villages," essentially) as opposed to the modernist urban renewal
>> ideals of
>> >>>>> her time, doesn't make her in any way anarchistic.  She was opposed
>> to
>> >>>>> Modernism's ideals for urbanism.  It has now long been recognized
>> that her
>> >>>>> concepts of an organic people-oriented urbanism is much more
>> livable than
>> >>>>> what she opposed.  Essentially she was pointing out that the
>> ghettos that
>> >>>>> were being torn down were much more livable that the Pruitt-Igoe
>> style
>> >>>>> urbanism that was being proposed to replace it.  She was right.
>> Labeling
>> >>>>> that stance as "anarchism" is silly and misses the main ideas she
>> promoted.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This (Pruitt-Igoe) is what she opposed:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-high-rise-urban-america-history-cities
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And the earlier city which surrounds the project (which was not the
>> >>>>> product of anarchy in any meaningful sense - except as opposed to
>> >>>>> Pruitt-Igoe)  in the photo is what she championed.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> David Morris
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> David,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There is a deep strain of human-sized, freedom-embracing,
>> >>>>>> non-top-down, self-organizing activities which
>> >>>>>> have been written about even here as 'anarchism'. See the anarchist
>> >>>>>> dance in Lot 49.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Jacob's vision of city life has been seen under these concepts by
>> many
>> >>>>>> for a long time: Here is the estimable
>> >>>>>> Richard Sennet for one: As Jane Jacobs points out, high
>> concentration
>> >>>>>> of dwelling units per acre and high land coverage are essential to
>> the ...
>> >>>>>> 1969), and the appreciative review by Richard Sennett, “The
>> Anarchism of
>> >>>>>> Jane Jacobs,” New York Review of Books ...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There are scores more which I am not hunting down. it is her
>> vision of
>> >>>>>> urban living, and parts of mumford's which might relate
>> >>>>>> them to Pynchon and are what I was referring to.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jane Jacobs was in no way connected to anarchism, but, like
>> Mumford,
>> >>>>>>> she was a proponent of urban living, as are most architects just
>> about
>> >>>>>>> anywhere...
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> David Morris
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> about urban theorist Jane Jacobs. Read up and see that
>> >>>>>>>> she shared many notions with Lewis Mumford, discussed a lot
>> >>>>>>>> here on the List. Her ideas of a vibrant diverse 'anarchic'
>> street
>> >>>>>>>> and storefront life might dovetail with many of P's meanings of
>> >>>>>>>> anarchic goodness.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Remember that she lived in Greenwich Village, near Barthelme
>> >>>>>>>> (therefore
>> >>>>>>>> Pynchon) I believe and Grace Paley and her husband
>> >>>>>>>> most of the time TRP was supposed to have
>> >>>>>>>> lived there. I think.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Everything connects.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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