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[Ray Easton]

I had never noticed that.  Thank you.

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On May 6, 2016 12:32:43 PM <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Another time-ripple is the movie theater memory. Here, it seems to be one 
> of the St. Veronica's patients re-living their trauma of being in a movie 
> theater when it's bombed. Like the final getting-bombed-in-a-movie-theater 
> sequence, it's narrated in the second person. This sequence is 
> present-to-past-to-present, but also, potentially, past-to-prsent-to-future.
>
> Laura
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>>From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>Sent: May 6, 2016 8:43 AM
>>To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>Subject: Re: Back to current chapter?
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>>Legitimate questions both.
>>
>> The summary was attempting to condense the story line. I think  I will 
>> rewrite the summary to make it clear that the correlation is in the mind of 
>> Spectro and Pointsman.( part of my summary project is to get feedback so I 
>> end up with something P readers agree is reasonably accurate)  What is 
>> clear is that we have passed into a higher level of interpretation and  
>> decision making. KS an PP have access to all the data collected and are 
>> persuaded that the correlation is real. My reading is that whether the 
>> correlation is connected or a bizarre fluke, which even Mexico doubts, the 
>> stars on the map were placed before the strikes. Up to this point the cause 
>> of the high degree of interest surrounding the map has been vague. Here it 
>> comes into focus. That was all I intended to say.
>>
>>One aspect of the map and the scientists discussion of  a correlative 
>>mechnism is the question of  time as a dimension. Pynchon is questioning 
>>and playing with this role and nature of time. Can events in the future, 
>>influence the present? Do they cast a shadow, send messages. We see the 
>>ripples  from past forward but does it work in reverse? What would it look 
>>like?
>>
>>As to MAD, that goes back to the phrase ” a ghost in the sky" from the 
>>first of the 2 paragraphs of authorial comment:
>>      Imagine a missile one hears approaching only after it explodes. The 
>>      reversal! A piece of time neatly snipped out . . . a few feet of film run 
>>      backwards . . . the blast of the rocket, fallen faster than sound—then 
>>      growing out of it the roar of its own fall, catching up to what’s already 
>>      death and burning . . . a ghost in the sky. . . .
>>
>>P is writing this at a time when the fear of nuclear war was intense and 
>>debate was eqaully intense. A generation was coming of age with this “ghost 
>>in the sky”. I think the debate over cause and effect concerning the 
>>instant annihilation from the V2s , is more than a chance reflection of 
>>that debate. Can nukes be both the cause of the disease and the cure? No 
>>one has to agree that this is an important layer of meaning in the text, 
>>which is why it’s a comment and an invitation to respond.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 5, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Me, I'm still trying to figure out what mutual assured destruction has to 
>>> do with Pavlov.
>>>
>>> Or how "we find with full clarity that Slothrop is somehow predicting the 
>>> location and time of the fall of the rockets with his map of erections"... 
>>> 'cause all I find is that Spectro and Pointsman think so.
>>>
>>> Will check in if I make progress.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>> I like stouts, have no taste for IPAs. I’m glad for the IPA makers that 
>>> someone likes them. I like people who like IPAs, but they taste like 
>>> someone stirred in acetone to me. Maybe I have Irish chemistry. I don’t 
>>> know, but words will not change this .
>>>
>>> Anyone else up for a group read of a masterpiece or is this project going 
>>> up in smoke?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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