Back to current chapter?

[Mark Kohut]

yes, thanks, Laura, me neither before.

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Ray Easton <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com>
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> I had never noticed that.  Thank you.
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> On May 6, 2016 12:32:43 PM <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
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> Another time-ripple is the movie theater memory. Here, it seems to be one
>> of the St. Veronica's patients re-living their trauma of being in a movie
>> theater when it's bombed. Like the final getting-bombed-in-a-movie-theater
>> sequence, it's narrated in the second person. This sequence is
>> present-to-past-to-present, but also, potentially, past-to-prsent-to-future.
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>> Laura
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>>> From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>> Sent: May 6, 2016 8:43 AM
>>> To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Back to current chapter?
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>>> Legitimate questions both.
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>>> The summary was attempting to condense the story line. I think  I will
>>> rewrite the summary to make it clear that the correlation is in the mind of
>>> Spectro and Pointsman.( part of my summary project is to get feedback so I
>>> end up with something P readers agree is reasonably accurate)  What is
>>> clear is that we have passed into a higher level of interpretation and
>>> decision making. KS an PP have access to all the data collected and are
>>> persuaded that the correlation is real. My reading is that whether the
>>> correlation is connected or a bizarre fluke, which even Mexico doubts, the
>>> stars on the map were placed before the strikes. Up to this point the cause
>>> of the high degree of interest surrounding the map has been vague. Here it
>>> comes into focus. That was all I intended to say.
>>>
>>> One aspect of the map and the scientists discussion of  a correlative
>>> mechnism is the question of  time as a dimension. Pynchon is questioning
>>> and playing with this role and nature of time. Can events in the future,
>>> influence the present? Do they cast a shadow, send messages. We see the
>>> ripples  from past forward but does it work in reverse? What would it look
>>> like?
>>>
>>> As to MAD, that goes back to the phrase ” a ghost in the sky" from the
>>> first of the 2 paragraphs of authorial comment:
>>>      Imagine a missile one hears approaching only after it explodes.
>>> The      reversal! A piece of time neatly snipped out . . . a few feet of
>>> film run      backwards . . . the blast of the rocket, fallen faster than
>>> sound—then      growing out of it the roar of its own fall, catching up to
>>> what’s already      death and burning . . . a ghost in the sky. . . .
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>>> P is writing this at a time when the fear of nuclear war was intense and
>>> debate was eqaully intense. A generation was coming of age with this “ghost
>>> in the sky”. I think the debate over cause and effect concerning the
>>> instant annihilation from the V2s , is more than a chance reflection of
>>> that debate. Can nukes be both the cause of the disease and the cure? No
>>> one has to agree that this is an important layer of meaning in the text,
>>> which is why it’s a comment and an invitation to respond.
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>>> On May 5, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Me, I'm still trying to figure out what mutual assured destruction has
>>>> to do with Pavlov.
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>>>> Or how "we find with full clarity that Slothrop is somehow predicting
>>>> the location and time of the fall of the rockets with his map of
>>>> erections"... 'cause all I find is that Spectro and Pointsman think so.
>>>>
>>>> Will check in if I make progress.
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>>>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>>> I like stouts, have no taste for IPAs. I’m glad for the IPA makers that
>>>> someone likes them. I like people who like IPAs, but they taste like
>>>> someone stirred in acetone to me. Maybe I have Irish chemistry. I don’t
>>>> know, but words will not change this .
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else up for a group read of a masterpiece or is this project
>>>> going up in smoke?
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