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[Mark Kohut]

He does this! He does this repeatedly!! As per the detritus on S's desk
that foreshadows..
and upcoming octopus scene here too........

It creates, when we feel it, a feeling of foreshadowed meanings that is
LIKE the reversal effect of the rocket,
of the paranoid over-determinism! Magnificent artistic webmaking.

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:31 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Another time-ripple is the movie theater memory. Here, it seems to be one
> of the St. Veronica's patients re-living their trauma of being in a movie
> theater when it's bombed. Like the final getting-bombed-in-a-movie-theater
> sequence, it's narrated in the second person. This sequence is
> present-to-past-to-present, but also, potentially, past-to-prsent-to-future.
>
> Laura
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> >Sent: May 6, 2016 8:43 AM
> >To: P-list List <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >Subject: Re: Back to current chapter?
> >
> >Legitimate questions both.
> >
> > The summary was attempting to condense the story line. I think  I will
> rewrite the summary to make it clear that the correlation is in the mind of
> Spectro and Pointsman.( part of my summary project is to get feedback so I
> end up with something P readers agree is reasonably accurate)  What is
> clear is that we have passed into a higher level of interpretation and
> decision making. KS an PP have access to all the data collected and are
> persuaded that the correlation is real. My reading is that whether the
> correlation is connected or a bizarre fluke, which even Mexico doubts, the
> stars on the map were placed before the strikes. Up to this point the cause
> of the high degree of interest surrounding the map has been vague. Here it
> comes into focus. That was all I intended to say.
> >
> >One aspect of the map and the scientists discussion of  a correlative
> mechnism is the question of  time as a dimension. Pynchon is questioning
> and playing with this role and nature of time. Can events in the future,
> influence the present? Do they cast a shadow, send messages. We see the
> ripples  from past forward but does it work in reverse? What would it look
> like?
> >
> >As to MAD, that goes back to the phrase ” a ghost in the sky" from the
> first of the 2 paragraphs of authorial comment:
> >      Imagine a missile one hears approaching only after it explodes. The
> reversal! A piece of time neatly snipped out . . . a few feet of film run
> backwards . . . the blast of the rocket, fallen faster than sound—then
> growing out of it the roar of its own fall, catching up to what’s already
> death and burning . . . a ghost in the sky. . . .
> >
> >P is writing this at a time when the fear of nuclear war was intense and
> debate was eqaully intense. A generation was coming of age with this “ghost
> in the sky”. I think the debate over cause and effect concerning the
> instant annihilation from the V2s , is more than a chance reflection of
> that debate. Can nukes be both the cause of the disease and the cure? No
> one has to agree that this is an important layer of meaning in the text,
> which is why it’s a comment and an invitation to respond.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 5, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Me, I'm still trying to figure out what mutual assured destruction has
> to do with Pavlov.
> >>
> >> Or how "we find with full clarity that Slothrop is somehow predicting
> the location and time of the fall of the rockets with his map of
> erections"... 'cause all I find is that Spectro and Pointsman think so.
> >>
> >> Will check in if I make progress.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >> I like stouts, have no taste for IPAs. I’m glad for the IPA makers that
> someone likes them. I like people who like IPAs, but they taste like
> someone stirred in acetone to me. Maybe I have Irish chemistry. I don’t
> know, but words will not change this .
> >>
> >> Anyone else up for a group read of a masterpiece or is this project
> going up in smoke?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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