Asymmetrical Polarization

[Mark Kohut]

You know the problems with answering your question Atticus? Some on this
list will start denying any real examples by org associationism--
the new Left McCarthyites.

 If you don't already know SOME answers, then you
must not be following anywhere where one can get such examples.

So, although there is a suspicion re your pseudonym and a suggestion
that you are more shit-stirrer--I used to know the Yiddish---than
interested, if you genuinely want some answers, write me offlist. Morris
and lots of others who know answers don't need to waste their time. Nor I
mine, unless.....

If you don't already know some investigative reporting that
has brought down generals, won a Senate race, revealed the Stuxnet attack,
reported on intelligence secrecies and actions
up until one court decision away from a long prison sentence, brought us
Romney's 47% tape and, of course, all the being-proven truths about
the Russian attacks on the US election, then ....

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I don't doubt it. Just asking for examples...
>
> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's nonsense. There's a lot of good journalism out there.
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> America & American journalism have relatively short & interwoven
>> histories... What are the positive journalism examples? We can all name
>> absolutely catastrophic negative ones...
>>
>> Almost seems like the way NYC & Boston are built on landfill... America
>> is built on lies & slander...
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The centrism of Bothsiderism ultimately comes not from an interest in
>> truth, or any other ideology, but in a desire to not offend people so as to
>> keep selling ads. If right-wingers move right, so does the center. It's
>> relative positioning. But a lot of journalists see it as a profound
>> philosophical commitment essential to journalism.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I mostly agree with you take.  But the "centrist voices" of Bothsiderism
>>> has nothing to do with actual centrism (like truthiness has no relation to
>>> truth).  There are such things as facts.  As the Right becomes ever more
>>> extreme, the "center" is no longer near any rational center (asymmetry).
>>> Norms of discourse and behavior are obliterated by the Right as they
>>> embrace all manner of evil.  This has been our ever-increasing political
>>> reality for decades.  Trump has pushed it so far that it can no longer be
>>> ignored, and that's a good thing, I think...
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bothsiderism is a result of previous media environments where the fixed
>>>> costs of running a local newspaper or TV station are high and there are
>>>> network effects (e.g., people want to advertise where the viewers are), so
>>>> for business reasons it made sense for outlets to adopt centrist voices
>>>> that don't offend anyone, letting them sell more advertisements. You can
>>>> call this whoredom if you want, but it's the function of letting the market
>>>> function. It makes less sense now because the internet makes it so much
>>>> cheaper to publish, and that has led to a proliferation of outlets
>>>> (although not as much in local news, which still has substantial fixed
>>>> costs of newsgathering that deters entry). FOX News has made a lot of money
>>>> by focusing on right-wing viewers, and leaving everyone else to other
>>>> outlets. Google and Facebook have made far more money by giving people a
>>>> way to find what they want to hear, unfortunately in news as well as a lot
>>>> of other things. If only someone could figure out a way to make money in
>>>> the pursuit of truth.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:26 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-pol
>>>>> arization-is-asymmetric-and-conservatives-are-worse/373044/
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Bothsiderism is a result of media whoredom.  Ratings over truth
>>>>> (and morality).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  Republicans are the real problem, on many levels.  Trump has
>>>>> pushed this reality to the forefront of everyone's consciousness, except
>>>>> for the Walking Dead.  We should thank him for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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