Asymmetrical Polarization

Fri Dec 15 06:40:47 CST 2017

Yep.  I'm done with Terrance's shit.  He used to add value.  Now not.

David Morris

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 4:31 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> You know the problems with answering your question Atticus? Some on this
> list will start denying any real examples by org associationism--
> the new Left McCarthyites.
>
>  If you don't already know SOME answers, then you
> must not be following anywhere where one can get such examples.
>
> So, although there is a suspicion re your pseudonym and a suggestion
> that you are more shit-stirrer--I used to know the Yiddish---than
> interested, if you genuinely want some answers, write me offlist. Morris
> and lots of others who know answers don't need to waste their time. Nor I
> mine, unless.....
>
> If you don't already know some investigative reporting that
> has brought down generals, won a Senate race, revealed the Stuxnet attack,
> reported on intelligence secrecies and actions
> up until one court decision away from a long prison sentence, brought us
> Romney's 47% tape and, of course, all the being-proven truths about
> the Russian attacks on the US election, then ....
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't doubt it. Just asking for examples...
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's nonsense. There's a lot of good journalism out there.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> America & American journalism have relatively short & interwoven
>>> histories... What are the positive journalism examples? We can all name
>>> absolutely catastrophic negative ones...
>>>
>>> Almost seems like the way NYC & Boston are built on landfill... America
>>> is built on lies & slander...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The centrism of Bothsiderism ultimately comes not from an interest in
>>> truth, or any other ideology, but in a desire to not offend people so as to
>>> keep selling ads. If right-wingers move right, so does the center. It's
>>> relative positioning. But a lot of journalists see it as a profound
>>> philosophical commitment essential to journalism.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I mostly agree with you take.  But the "centrist voices" of
>>>> Bothsiderism has nothing to do with actual centrism (like truthiness has no
>>>> relation to truth).  There are such things as facts.  As the Right becomes
>>>> ever more extreme, the "center" is no longer near any rational center
>>>> (asymmetry).  Norms of discourse and behavior are obliterated by the Right
>>>> as they embrace all manner of evil.  This has been our ever-increasing
>>>> political reality for decades.  Trump has pushed it so far that it can no
>>>> longer be ignored, and that's a good thing, I think...
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
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>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bothsiderism is a result of previous media environments where the
>>>>> fixed costs of running a local newspaper or TV station are high and there
>>>>> are network effects (e.g., people want to advertise where the viewers are),
>>>>> so for business reasons it made sense for outlets to adopt centrist voices
>>>>> that don't offend anyone, letting them sell more advertisements. You can
>>>>> call this whoredom if you want, but it's the function of letting the market
>>>>> function. It makes less sense now because the internet makes it so much
>>>>> cheaper to publish, and that has led to a proliferation of outlets
>>>>> (although not as much in local news, which still has substantial fixed
>>>>> costs of newsgathering that deters entry). FOX News has made a lot of money
>>>>> by focusing on right-wing viewers, and leaving everyone else to other
>>>>> outlets. Google and Facebook have made far more money by giving people a
>>>>> way to find what they want to hear, unfortunately in news as well as a lot
>>>>> of other things. If only someone could figure out a way to make money in
>>>>> the pursuit of truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:26 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-polarization-is-asymmetric-and-conservatives-are-worse/373044/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.  Bothsiderism is a result of media whoredom.  Ratings over truth
>>>>>> (and morality).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.  Republicans are the real problem, on many levels.  Trump has
>>>>>> pushed this reality to the forefront of everyone's consciousness, except
>>>>>> for the Walking Dead.  We should thank him for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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