Asymmetrical Polarization

Fri Dec 15 08:02:53 CST 2017

And I apologize publicly for suggesting your pseudonym was genuine---that
is, not an infamous personage from the Plist past.
Apology is only good IF you are not that person.

Only other thing to say, is there are/is lots of media digging out the
truth these days. Probably more than ever. Not one "exact' media
in my list but many.

Take Care,

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think your question has no answer as you frame it.
>
> Good luck.
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Atticus Pinecone <
> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm dead serious.
>>
>> The bad far outweighs the good. You all—I hope—recall which wars and
>> military actions began with lies. Lies in the exact media I "must not be
>> following". And I know you have a vague, if not good, idea of the civilian
>> death counts—so I'm really asking, what's one example of journalism that
>> offsets one million dead civilians?
>>
>> 100,000? One thousand? 43?
>>
>> I sense that people don't like having their heads yanked out of the sand.
>>
>> And I'm not saying there aren't any—but I sense the books don't come
>> close to balancing.
>>
>> So with that framing, I hope you don't still think my question is a
>> waste.
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You know the problems with answering your question Atticus? Some on this
>> list will start denying any real examples by org associationism--
>> the new Left McCarthyites.
>>
>>  If you don't already know SOME answers, then you
>> must not be following anywhere where one can get such examples.
>>
>> So, although there is a suspicion re your pseudonym and a suggestion
>> that you are more shit-stirrer--I used to know the Yiddish---than
>> interested, if you genuinely want some answers, write me offlist. Morris
>> and lots of others who know answers don't need to waste their time. Nor I
>> mine, unless.....
>>
>> If you don't already know some investigative reporting that
>> has brought down generals, won a Senate race, revealed the Stuxnet
>> attack, reported on intelligence secrecies and actions
>> up until one court decision away from a long prison sentence, brought us
>> Romney's 47% tape and, of course, all the being-proven truths about
>> the Russian attacks on the US election, then ....
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't doubt it. Just asking for examples...
>>>
>>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's nonsense. There's a lot of good journalism out there.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Atticus Pinecone <
>>> atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> America & American journalism have relatively short & interwoven
>>>> histories... What are the positive journalism examples? We can all name
>>>> absolutely catastrophic negative ones...
>>>>
>>>> Almost seems like the way NYC & Boston are built on landfill... America
>>>> is built on lies & slander...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 14, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The centrism of Bothsiderism ultimately comes not from an interest in
>>>> truth, or any other ideology, but in a desire to not offend people so as to
>>>> keep selling ads. If right-wingers move right, so does the center. It's
>>>> relative positioning. But a lot of journalists see it as a profound
>>>> philosophical commitment essential to journalism.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I mostly agree with you take.  But the "centrist voices" of
>>>>> Bothsiderism has nothing to do with actual centrism (like truthiness has no
>>>>> relation to truth).  There are such things as facts.  As the Right becomes
>>>>> ever more extreme, the "center" is no longer near any rational center
>>>>> (asymmetry).  Norms of discourse and behavior are obliterated by the Right
>>>>> as they embrace all manner of evil.  This has been our ever-increasing
>>>>> political reality for decades.  Trump has pushed it so far that it can no
>>>>> longer be ignored, and that's a good thing, I think...
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bothsiderism is a result of previous media environments where the
>>>>>> fixed costs of running a local newspaper or TV station are high and there
>>>>>> are network effects (e.g., people want to advertise where the viewers are),
>>>>>> so for business reasons it made sense for outlets to adopt centrist voices
>>>>>> that don't offend anyone, letting them sell more advertisements. You can
>>>>>> call this whoredom if you want, but it's the function of letting the market
>>>>>> function. It makes less sense now because the internet makes it so much
>>>>>> cheaper to publish, and that has led to a proliferation of outlets
>>>>>> (although not as much in local news, which still has substantial fixed
>>>>>> costs of newsgathering that deters entry). FOX News has made a lot of money
>>>>>> by focusing on right-wing viewers, and leaving everyone else to other
>>>>>> outlets. Google and Facebook have made far more money by giving people a
>>>>>> way to find what they want to hear, unfortunately in news as well as a lot
>>>>>> of other things. If only someone could figure out a way to make money in
>>>>>> the pursuit of truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:26 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/yes-pol
>>>>>>> arization-is-asymmetric-and-conservatives-are-worse/373044/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.  Bothsiderism is a result of media whoredom.  Ratings over truth
>>>>>>> (and morality).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2.  Republicans are the real problem, on many levels.  Trump has
>>>>>>> pushed this reality to the forefront of everyone's consciousness, except
>>>>>>> for the Walking Dead.  We should thank him for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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