Too bad, so sad.

[Mark Kohut]

Maybe Joseph is, as I just sent regarding Thomas...
." a critical mass" is pretty tough to measure for even 'the newspaper of
record' and all the other media which it influences.
and when Judith Miller's sources--her supposed bedmate Chalabi---lied and
deceived, as did she---and lost her career over it, too little too late, we
can now, smart critical thinkers that we are, blame the *whole* NYTimes,
"mainstream media',whatever that is, now throw in the Wa Po and many others
because one very major story in the 'newspaper of record' was because
it--all the editors and publishers---were being played, well, not too smart
in my judgment.

And as I just said to Thomas, would that administration NOT have gone to
war anyway?

Some, say Barack Obama, saw through the evil of an impending Iraq war. Many
others too, esp all over media that I bet plisters followed. In fact, I bet
most plisters
were opposed, whaddya think? So now they can displace their anger on the
NYT and other 'mainstream media'? Okay.

Here's my attempt at an aphorism of the day: When you can find out that
stories in double-sourced (at least) independently-verified stories in
media papers and
other vehicles are wrong---you know you have a way of measuring truth.

and a simple social observation about a word: Have you all noticed how the
word 'lie' has come often to be used, even by many over trivial things, to
mean a mistake,
a wrongness, a nonfact, a non-truth independent of an actual willed
intention?

Later,






On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I imagine Joseph might be referring to the role played by such august
> journals as the New York Times in getting a critical mass of the American
> population to switch from opposing to supporting the US invasion of Iraq in
> 2003, a folly which has led to the unnecessary, superfluous deaths of
> upwards of a million innocent souls so far, and counting.
>
> I don't, however, blame "mainstream American journalism" any more than I
> do the populace that allowed itself to be persuaded. And of course, much
> less than the actual criminals at the top, many of whom knew that the
> rationale they proffered for their businessman's war* of first resort was
> nothing but a tissue of lies, because they knew that if they revealed their
> REAL reasons for the invasion (which, to be exceedingly fair, I'm sure they
> thought were good reasons), the American people wouldn't be so gung-ho for
> bloodshed.
>
> J
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joseph T:
>> "I agree that mainstream american journalism is complicit in much more
>> mass murder than any good they may have done."
>>
>> A remark so ignorant, even, maybe, so inherently vile in even pretending
>> this makes measurable sense about valid journalism, that one shudders for
>> the polity from the other side.
>>
>> So it goes.
>>
>>
>>
>
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