Too bad, so sad.

Mark Kohut mark.kohut at gmail.com
Mon Dec 18 11:33:46 CST 2017


Your post is wrong, anti-proven truth in many particulars, right in some
history that is not
what we are talking about....

and wrong some more.....

let's see if Jerky bothers to tackle your "Russiagate crap" remark...

ash heap of history is where most of your judgments will end up. as I
wrote,  sad....

Evil American truths are still and will always be evil America truths. You
just don't know how to generalize about them; see much
of what is in front of you geopolitically now....unable to overcome your
own shards of ideology...

imho.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Your notion that the crimes of journalists against the truth and the
> constitution can be reduced to Judy Miler is laughable. That is only one of
> many  examples of egregious and murderous lies.  I have been watching this
> shit go down since the Vietnam war.
>
> Also Matthew I never said anything against journalism as truth telling or
> accurate reporting or questioning and exposing the lies of Governments and
> politicians. And I certainly understand the dangers faced by journalists
> who tell the truth in other countries as well as the US. Many crimes
> against journalists are happening in countries we support like Egypt,
> Turkey, Kenya and Saudi Arabia.  This persecution happened as abundantly
> under Obama as now.
>
> What Mark T and I are talking about is the scale of killing produced by
> politicians and journalists who peddle hate and lies rather than balanced
> reporting. The US has a history that caused Martin Luther King to describe
> it as "the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” I believe
> that still holds true. Journalism that acts as a brain dead megaphone for
> war has contributed a great deal to that reality and deserves
> accountability.
>
> The arguments excusing this mass killing and the press that endorsed and
> heroized it makes me sick.  I will never back down from this. I do not
> believe any of the crap that devalues  the human lives of those who live in
> Libya, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Chile, ………or the whole sickeng too long
> list of Americas postWW2 imperial wars and coups. Some of you want an
> America and a Democratic party that never existed. No reform is possible
> without admitting that it is needed.
>
>  I am not in any way endorsing Trump’s war on truth. But I am not ready to
> forgive all the coverage given to him by the mainstream press and that now
> strings the public along with this Russiagate crap with no evidence.
>
> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 5:21 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe Joseph is, as I just sent regarding Thomas...
> > ." a critical mass" is pretty tough to measure for even 'the newspaper
> of record' and all the other media which it influences.
> > and when Judith Miller's sources--her supposed bedmate Chalabi---lied
> and deceived, as did she---and lost her career over it, too little too
> late, we can now, smart critical thinkers that we are, blame the whole
> NYTimes, "mainstream media',whatever that is, now throw in the Wa Po and
> many others because one very major story in the 'newspaper of record' was
> because it--all the editors and publishers---were being played, well, not
> too smart in my judgment.
> >
> > And as I just said to Thomas, would that administration NOT have gone to
> war anyway?
> >
> > Some, say Barack Obama, saw through the evil of an impending Iraq war.
> Many others too, esp all over media that I bet plisters followed. In fact,
> I bet most plisters
> > were opposed, whaddya think? So now they can displace their anger on the
> NYT and other 'mainstream media'? Okay.
> >
> > Here's my attempt at an aphorism of the day: When you can find out that
> stories in double-sourced (at least) independently-verified stories in
> media papers and
> > other vehicles are wrong---you know you have a way of measuring truth.
> >
> > and a simple social observation about a word: Have you all noticed how
> the word 'lie' has come often to be used, even by many over trivial things,
> to mean a mistake,
> > a wrongness, a nonfact, a non-truth independent of an actual willed
> intention?
> >
> > Later,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I imagine Joseph might be referring to the role played by such august
> journals as the New York Times in getting a critical mass of the American
> population to switch from opposing to supporting the US invasion of Iraq in
> 2003, a folly which has led to the unnecessary, superfluous deaths of
> upwards of a million innocent souls so far, and counting.
> >
> > I don't, however, blame "mainstream American journalism" any more than I
> do the populace that allowed itself to be persuaded. And of course, much
> less than the actual criminals at the top, many of whom knew that the
> rationale they proffered for their businessman's war* of first resort was
> nothing but a tissue of lies, because they knew that if they revealed their
> REAL reasons for the invasion (which, to be exceedingly fair, I'm sure they
> thought were good reasons), the American people wouldn't be so gung-ho for
> bloodshed.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Joseph T:
> > "I agree that mainstream american journalism is complicit in much more
> mass murder than any good they may have done."
> >
> > A remark so ignorant, even, maybe, so inherently vile in even pretending
> this makes measurable sense about valid journalism, that one shudders for
> the polity from the other side.
> >
> > So it goes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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