Too bad, so sad.

[Mark Kohut]

Joseph,

I apologized for what you perceived as an insult.....my "noxious' opinion
about your Presidential knowledge is just a way, since we've been talking
so long about this
to state I think you have mostly always been wrong..yes, my opinion, but I
hope not noxious...

and for the reasons given...blaming some Presidents for not stopping what
they could never have....blaming some Presidents for being tarred
Democrats...
blaming some Presidents fro what others did or stopped them from doing....


   - He voted against a successful bill in 2007 which funded the Iraq War
   <https://history.howstuffworks.com/american-history> without including a
   timetable for withdrawal (H.R. 2206) [source: The Washington Post
   <http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/key-votes/>
   ].
   - In 2007, he voted against another successful bill which gave $120
   billion in funding for the Iraq War (vote 181), but voted for two different
   votes on a separate failed bill (HR 1591), which appropriated similar
   amounts for the Iraq War but included timetables for American troop
   withdrawals [source: The Washington Post
   <http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/key-votes/>
   ].
   - He voted in favor of HR 4939 in 2006, which granted $67 billion in
   emergency funding to the Department of Defense [source: Obama Senate
   <http://obama.senate.gov/votes/109/index.cfm?start>].
   - Obama voted against the Military Commissions Act of 2006, (S. 3930)
   which granted legal immunity for CIA
   <https://people.howstuffworks.com/cia.htm> officials involved in acts of
   torture <https://science.howstuffworks.com/legal-torture.htm>, outlawed
   certain acts of torture by U.S. agents, and barred detainees labeled enemy
   combatants from protesting their incarceration. He voted in favor of an
   amended version of this bill (S. Amdt. 5095), which included Congressional
   oversight of some CIA programs [source: ­U.S. Senate
   <http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00256>
   ].




On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Obama never cast a vote against the war authorization. He said he "would
> have" voted against it , which is rather different ( this was why I voted
> for him in 2008). He did however vote aginst a war fundng bill that had no
> timetable for troop withdrawal. Apparently “mental mistakes” were made by
> Kohut as well as Tracy. I stand by  my core arguments.
>   Generalized statements like “you have never been clear on what a
> President did and could not do” are your own noxious opinions. I already
> cut you out of my facebook page because of such insults. Try using some
> journalistic facts since you say you are so fond of them.
> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, but more of your mental mistakes in clear visibility.
> >
> > Obama voted against that war and he, alone could not stop the funding...
> > therefore he as you do always stand condemned with a generalized group
> you despise...
> > You have never been clear on what a President did and could not do.
> >
> > mark
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > Sorry, but this is an oversimplification. The majority of Democrats
> supported the authorization to war sought by the mass killer  and torturer
> W. They , including Obama , did not use the power of the purse to deny
> funding for this war even when it far supassed W’s phony estimate for the
> cost to the taxpayers.
> >   When Obama inherited the wars he increased spending in Afghanistan,
> increased drone attacks killing thousands of civilians, allowed the
> corruption in Iraq to continue, started a war in Libya and armed and
> financed the Salafists in Syria. That is what decent journalism shows.
> >  The militarization of the US is bi partisan.
> > > On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> • Third: Preznit Dubya and his criminal administration constructed
> this entire wasteful, Satanic enterprise upon a foundation of propaganda,
> forgery, and outright lies. There is no valid ethical, moral or legal
> justification for it, no matter how "easy" the task might eventually turn
> out to seem… relatively speaking.
> >
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> >
>
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