Too bad, so sad.

Tue Dec 19 06:49:24 CST 2017

I love learning reality, the truth about things I did not know.

Thanks,

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Wikipedia entry about the FCC confirms that its commissioners have the
> same restriction as the FTC — no more than three from a single party.
> Democrats controlled the FCC under Obama, and it was Democratic
> commissioners who gave us net neutrality over GOP objections. My former
> boss was a senior official there during that period. Crucially, Republicans
> in the Senate surely demanded a net neutrality opponent for their
> commissioner, and they didn’t have to vote to confirm Obama appointments.
> Blame Obama for his own acts and omissions, but don’t blame him for Pai.
>
> Sent from an iPhone; pls xcse typos.
>
> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 16:43, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds speculative. Pai replaced Democrat and adamant supporter of net
> neutrality Michael Copps; but also,  there are no republicans for net
> neutrality? No one who did not work for a telecom?  This was not a minor
> issue. This is  a private takeover of what had been deemed a publicly
> licensed information system similar to Radio or TV.  The power to limit the
> free flow of information and equality of access is potentially extremely
> dangerous.
> >
> > I will try to track down the actual rules about presidential FCC
> appointments and am interested if someone else  comes up with something
> more detailed.
> >> On Dec 18, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't like what Ajit Pai has done any more than the next person, but
> faulting Obama for it is not right. With many federal commissions,
> including both the FCC and the FTC but also others, the commissioners are
> appointed by the President with Senate confirmation, but need to be
> distributed among the parties to avoid total partisan control. So, for
> example, to quote from ft.gov, the FTC is headed by five Commissioners,
> nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, each serving a
> seven-year term. No more than three Commissioners can be of the same
> political party. The President chooses one Commissioner to act as Chairman.
> This puts every President in the position of having to appoint
> commissioners from the the other party and needing commissioners to be
> confirmed by the Senate. I believe the FCC works similarly. As a result,
> the appointment of someone like Pai was not Obama's unilateral decision,
> but rather the result of a customary negotiation between Obama and Senate
> Republicans to find someone mutually acceptable.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >> You still buy all that bs. The team of rivals. Yea like appointing Ajit
> Pai to the FCC. Good move Obama. so subtle, so brilliant. Or maybe just Too
> bad so sad.
> >>
> >>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A nice clear summary statement showing what Morris meant. "You felt
> betrayed over the cabinet???"...No sense, never, of the art of the possible
> and the mastery of it
> >>> he did....
> >>> Once again, you want a "leader' who could never (have) exist (ed) and
> exhibit no possible way of comparing to the other possible choice...
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> wrote:
> >>> There are some good things. He put the brakes on torture.  I don’t
> think much of the Affordable Care Act but it was an improvement for a lot
> of people. It just seems obvious that we are living in times when larger
> changes are needed. In his first presidential campaign he sounded like
> someone who knew that. When he hired his cabinet I felt betrayed. When he
> murdered Alaki’s son he joined the ranks of the war criminals. I like him
> as a person and often as a speaker, but regard him as a failure as a leader
> for the needs of his time.
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe it's not all black and white, and Obama did some good things
> and also some bad things. Like, he wasn't perfect, but he could have done
> worse.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> wrote:
> >>>> Obama never cast a vote against the war authorization. He said he
> "would have" voted against it , which is rather different ( this was why I
> voted for him in 2008). He did however vote aginst a war fundng bill that
> had no timetable for troop withdrawal. Apparently “mental mistakes” were
> made by Kohut as well as Tracy. I stand by  my core arguments.
> >>>>  Generalized statements like “you have never been clear on what a
> President did and could not do” are your own noxious opinions. I already
> cut you out of my facebook page because of such insults. Try using some
> journalistic facts since you say you are so fond of them.
> >>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, but more of your mental mistakes in clear visibility.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Obama voted against that war and he, alone could not stop the
> funding...
> >>>>> therefore he as you do always stand condemned with a generalized
> group you despise...
> >>>>> You have never been clear on what a President did and could not do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> mark
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Sorry, but this is an oversimplification. The majority of Democrats
> supported the authorization to war sought by the mass killer  and torturer
> W. They , including Obama , did not use the power of the purse to deny
> funding for this war even when it far supassed W’s phony estimate for the
> cost to the taxpayers.
> >>>>>  When Obama inherited the wars he increased spending in Afghanistan,
> increased drone attacks killing thousands of civilians, allowed the
> corruption in Iraq to continue, started a war in Libya and armed and
> financed the Salafists in Syria. That is what decent journalism shows.
> >>>>> The militarization of the US is bi partisan.
> >>>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> • Third: Preznit Dubya and his criminal administration
> constructed this entire wasteful, Satanic enterprise upon a foundation of
> propaganda, forgery, and outright lies. There is no valid ethical, moral or
> legal justification for it, no matter how "easy" the task might eventually
> turn out to seem… relatively speaking.
> >>>>>
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