Here Atticus, some examples

[Mark Kohut]

No President is not a war criminal from your Pugnax airship...piss down on
all of them and post about oversimplification.

I left some things out? of course....that is what saying something does!

And some, many, of the things you wrote are simply not true....

you never respond to all I send either..

see what you do? I cite Sanger REVEALING the stuxnet virus and you want to
talk about something else re the story.

you are wrong again: here is the Director of I.A.E.A  below...meanwhile
just read another good reporter and critical thinker, David Remnick in the
New Yorker quoting what Sy Hersh WAS saying....and saying how concerned
Pres Obama,that "war criminal", was about that report for his
diplomacy....simple goddam logic-- would Iran agree to a multi-nation
pressured smart peace (for awhile) deal to not develop nukes if it was not
trying to? major question is why?...and steady inspections. That Iran deal
was another of Obama's terrif legacies never mentioned by you as
accomplishments.

Speaking of my old buddy Sy, go look up David R trying not to say anything
bad about him--courageous legend--- when he could no longer publish his
pieces. "We had trouble with the sourcing"...Sy has been played....and
played..
and the major international UN agency re chemical weapon use has proven Sy
wrong on that one too....
which is now why even the London Review of Books won't publish him.
This too, is sad...
as sad as blinding oneself to nostalgic reality because of older Sy.

There is always more simple wrongness to point out in your posts.....

But I'm through...

I.A.E.A
 Clarifying issues relating to possible military dimensions is not an
endless process. It could be done within a reasonable timeline, but, how
far and how fast we can go depends very much on Iran’s cooperation. I have
made clear that the Agency will provide an assessment to our Board of
Governors after it obtains a good understanding of the whole picture
concerning issues with possible military dimensions. It is then up to the
Board to decide the future course of action.

As you may know, there are two tracks of negotiations on the Iran nuclear
issue. One is the IAEA-Iran track, the other is the so-called
P5-plus-1-and-Iran track, in which the IAEA is also involved. These six
countries - China, France, Germany, Russia, Britain and the United States –
agreed on a *Joint Plan of Action* with Iran in November 2013. The aim was
to achieve “a mutually-agreed long-term comprehensive solution that would
ensure Iran’s nuclear programme will be exclusively peaceful.”

All seven countries asked the IAEA to undertake monitoring and verification
of voluntary measures to be implemented by Iran, which we are doing. The P5
plus 1 negotiations with Iran are continuing.

I should mention that Iran is still not implementing the additional
protocol. This is contrary to the resolutions of the Board of Governors and
the Security Council. Implementation of the additional protocol by Iran is
essential for the Agency to provide credible assurance about the absence of
undeclared nuclear material and activities in the country

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:

> "My criticism is that The Times and Post and others ignore the truth from
> people like Risen to support presidential wars and aplogize later for the
> lies, never seeming to realize ahead of time the horrible human crimes they
> are endorsing."
>
> At the risk of stating the obvious, James Risen is employed by The New
> York Times, which is to say that not only do they not ignore him, they pay
> him a salary to investigate and report on what he finds, and they pay for
> lawyers to keep out of the big house when the government wants him to
> divulge his sources. There's plenty of space to criticize the Times for its
> judgment in deciding which stories to cover and how (>cough< her emails
> >cough<), and also for its editorial positions (which seem to me to get
> more attention than the former but to have much less impact), but really?
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
>> 50,000 Vietnam vets committed suicide after coming back from that war to
>> defend LBJ’s big dick. I knew some of these devastated young men, so it
>> matters to me whether it does to you or not. LBJ, in case you have fogotten
>> this ancient history was a Democrat.
>>
>> Dick Nixon and Henry Kissiger should have been jailed for massive war
>> crimes in multiple countries. Instead Kissiger and
>> Nixon’s-favorite-son-Cheney continued their careers of mayhem, murder and
>> theft with a great deal of praise from the press.
>>
>> James Risen almost got jailed by the Obama justice department who jailed
>> Jeffrey Sterling without proof. Hardly a major victory for press freedom,
>> though Risen is profoundly admirable as  an investigative journalist. My
>> criticism has not one single sentence that condemns journalism in general.
>> My criticism is that The Times and Post and others ignore the truth from
>> people like Risen to support presidential wars and aplogize later for the
>> lies, never seeming to realize ahead of time the horrible human crimes they
>> are endorsing.
>>
>> The stuxnet story was only one part of the press’s coverage of Iran’s
>> nuclear program. The press was in fact repating frequently the lie that
>> Iran was working toward nuclear weapons  while pentagon findings reported
>> by the unmentioned  Sy Hersch showed that this was not so. There never was
>> a weapons program. Our sanctions were criminal and based on lies.  The
>> agreement with Iran was good, but lies are lies.
>>
>> The expose of the catholic church was good and one of the things the
>> press does best;  the current belated exposure of sexual predators in media
>> and politics, the defense of gay marriage and human rights are areas whre
>> the press has done good. What this current p-list argument centers around
>> is some folks contention that these things do not come close to offsetting
>> the massive bloodsed of US wars of agrgression supported by mainstream
>> media.
>> In the end there is no way to balance these scales, doing good and
>> reporting truth is always important but even Nixon did some good things
>> like detente with Mao and the environmental legislation. He is still
>> responsible for his crimes.
>>
>> The waste and abuse in the petagon was also uncovered under Reagan. So
>> far it has not produced diddly squat in actual accountability or change. I
>> don’t know what is the answer but one thing is that media should be less
>> enthusiastic about military spending. They never ask tough questions about
>> this when spending bills are on the table.
>>
>>   Some important things you left out
>> You left out the heroic acts of Edward Snowden exposing the mass
>> survellance and lies of the NSA secretly endorsed by Obama.  The exposure
>> of Hillary’s lies by Wikileaks, the undermining of Sanders by the DNC, the
>> exposure of war crimes by Bradley Manning, the exposure of chemical weapons
>> lies by Sy Hersh, or the torture of prisoners in Abu Graibh also by Sy
>> Hersh. Or the history of war crimes in Vietnam by Nick Turse or the story
>> of secret drone bases in Africa by Nick Turse.  The exposure of the CIA
>> drug trafficking to fund the contras by Gary Webb( a story killed by NYT)
>> The exposure of Kissinger’s crimes by Chris Hitchens and Sy Hersh. The
>> crimes in Yemen by Jeremy Scahill. The   Iraqis and US soldiers poisoned by
>> depleted uranium as  reported by Juan Gonzales. The Pentagon Papers by Dan
>> Ellsberg.
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>> > On Dec 18, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I feel like wasting my time with finger exercises today.
>> >
>> > Since we are back to the Vietnam era via Joseph, then how about that Wa
>> Po
>> > which brought down the most criminal President before the current one?
>> > and the NYT on the Pentagon papers publishing?
>> >
>> > How about James Risen on national secrets in the NYT...I remember that
>> Friday morning...
>> > was driving long with my loved one and was the passenger...i often read
>> to her......there was that
>> > story, right hand prime space column...
>> >
>> > David Sanger on the Stuxnet virus. David Sanger on a hell of a lot of
>> secrets.
>> >
>> > Marty Baron when he was at the Boston Globe and the Spotlight team
>> which brought down
>> > the whole Catholic hierarchy of Boston--and its power and control.
>> >
>> > How about Bob Woodward (and his assistant) in the Wa Po last December
>> on the Pentagon study
>> > of Waste, Fraud & Abuse which they commissioned and found to be $25
>> billion dollars a year (or $125
>> > billion for the five years) which THEY BURIED, of course, rather than
>> make public. Which the Post did.
>> >
>> > How about the Wash Post with nine (9) sources outing the now
>> pled-guilty to crimes former National Security Advisor ,
>> > General Michael Flynn, fired because of it and more and now caught
>> because of it...
>> >
>> > and like that.
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