Re: GR translation: lined up with the rooms’ diagonals

[Mike Jing]

It could very well be. Thanks, Laura.


On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd read it as: ... the two of them run screaming all over the suite,
> [first] staggering around in circles, [then] lined up with the rooms'
> diagonals."
>
> Perhaps a physical attempt to describe the molecule's form, which, being
> an aromatic ring, can't be pinned down:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrd4rg-TPLg
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm as you all know no native speaker, but to my German dominated
>> grammatical thinking the comma doesn't exclude the possibility that lined
>> up refers to the circles. When I read the passage now for the first time in
>> years it seemed to me that the commas around staggering around in circles
>> emphasize this little adverbial phrase, separate it from the square angle
>> rooms, making it center of the sentence. I hope this makes sense.
>>
>> 2017-12-20 20:01 GMT+01:00 Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > To my thinking this just doesn’t explain the insertion of a comma that
>>> if removed would make the reference from the circles to the diagonals more
>>> pronounced and seems to me to have no other grammatical purpose but to
>>> block that connection. Jochen, how do you see the comma functioning ?
>>> >> On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, Mike, what I meant with my answer is exactly that: In my eyes
>>> the the present participles screaming and staggering are referring to "the
>>> two of them", while the perfect participle lined up refers to the circles
>>> they are staggering around in.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2017-12-20 15:54 GMT+01:00 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>>> >> I can't speak for Jochen, but his answer is usually completely
>>> straight. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong here.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Mike,
>>> >>
>>> >> What Joseph writes in the first paragraph is what I may not have said
>>> as clearly over a couple of rushed emails,
>>> >> but it is what I think too, as I keep rereading--and looking up room
>>> diagonals EXACTLY!
>>> >>
>>> >> I guess it leads to Jochen's straight-on, single word answer, I guess.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mark
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:25 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Seems to me that the comma is  a way  of insuring that the reference
>>> is not to the circles , but it could be to ‘staggering' or 'the two of
>>> them'. I still don’t get how you stagger around and line up with diagonals.
>>> There would, however,  be other ways of runnng all over around a suite than
>>> lined up with the diagonals,  like parrallel to the right angles or in
>>> circular or non geometric frenzy.
>>> >> Perhaps he deliberately uses a confused  image to amplify the frantic
>>> state of the runners. The line has the effect for me of being a setup for
>>> the more directly comical line about Jamf’s celebrated molecule with the so
>>> called Pokler singularity. It sort of connects a crazed translogical state
>>> to the peculiarities of the drug. This fits with the translogical effects
>>> of the drug on Slothrop and hs predictive map.
>>> >>  I also connects the imipolex G to Pokler and his part in the
>>> swartzgerat.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well, in simple grammar, the sentence works, doesn't it, if
>>> "staggering around in circles" were not there? So, "run screaming all over
>>> the suite" might be what is lined up with the room's diagonals?..but I
>>> don't know what that means, I guess...How else would one run around a suite
>>> but lined up with the diagonals if done 'all over' the suite....
>>> >>> ...until I see them staggering around in circles that are lined up,
>>> etc....
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Mike Jing <
>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> I have no idea. If you have anything in mind, I'd be glad to hear it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> Why the comma after circles?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jochen Stremmel <
>>> jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Yes.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2017-12-19 20:09 GMT+01:00 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com
>>> >:
>>> >>> V702.29-35, P716.26-32   For 15 minutes the two of them run
>>> screaming all over the suite, staggering around in circles, lined up with
>>> the rooms’ diagonals. There is in Laszlo Jamf’s celebrated molecule a
>>> particular twist, the so-called “Pökler singularity,” occurring in a
>>> certain crippled indole ring, which later Oneirinists, academician and
>>> working professional alike, are generally agreed is responsible for the
>>> hallucinations which are unique to this drug.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What does "lined up with the rooms’ diagonals" describe here? Does
>>> it refer to the circles?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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