Re: GR translation: lined up with the rooms’ diagonals

[Laura Kelber]

I'd read it as: ... the two of them run screaming all over the suite,
[first] staggering around in circles, [then] lined up with the rooms'
diagonals."

Perhaps a physical attempt to describe the molecule's form, which, being an
aromatic ring, can't be pinned down:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrd4rg-TPLg

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm as you all know no native speaker, but to my German dominated
> grammatical thinking the comma doesn't exclude the possibility that lined
> up refers to the circles. When I read the passage now for the first time in
> years it seemed to me that the commas around staggering around in circles
> emphasize this little adverbial phrase, separate it from the square angle
> rooms, making it center of the sentence. I hope this makes sense.
>
> 2017-12-20 20:01 GMT+01:00 Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>:
>
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>>
>> >
>> > To my thinking this just doesn’t explain the insertion of a comma that
>> if removed would make the reference from the circles to the diagonals more
>> pronounced and seems to me to have no other grammatical purpose but to
>> block that connection. Jochen, how do you see the comma functioning ?
>> >> On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yes, Mike, what I meant with my answer is exactly that: In my eyes the
>> the present participles screaming and staggering are referring to "the two
>> of them", while the perfect participle lined up refers to the circles they
>> are staggering around in.
>> >>
>> >> 2017-12-20 15:54 GMT+01:00 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>> >> I can't speak for Jochen, but his answer is usually completely
>> straight. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong here.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >> What Joseph writes in the first paragraph is what I may not have said
>> as clearly over a couple of rushed emails,
>> >> but it is what I think too, as I keep rereading--and looking up room
>> diagonals EXACTLY!
>> >>
>> >> I guess it leads to Jochen's straight-on, single word answer, I guess.
>> >>
>> >> Mark
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 12:25 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> Seems to me that the comma is  a way  of insuring that the reference
>> is not to the circles , but it could be to ‘staggering' or 'the two of
>> them'. I still don’t get how you stagger around and line up with diagonals.
>> There would, however,  be other ways of runnng all over around a suite than
>> lined up with the diagonals,  like parrallel to the right angles or in
>> circular or non geometric frenzy.
>> >> Perhaps he deliberately uses a confused  image to amplify the frantic
>> state of the runners. The line has the effect for me of being a setup for
>> the more directly comical line about Jamf’s celebrated molecule with the so
>> called Pokler singularity. It sort of connects a crazed translogical state
>> to the peculiarities of the drug. This fits with the translogical effects
>> of the drug on Slothrop and hs predictive map.
>> >>  I also connects the imipolex G to Pokler and his part in the
>> swartzgerat.
>> >>
>> >>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, in simple grammar, the sentence works, doesn't it, if
>> "staggering around in circles" were not there? So, "run screaming all over
>> the suite" might be what is lined up with the room's diagonals?..but I
>> don't know what that means, I guess...How else would one run around a suite
>> but lined up with the diagonals if done 'all over' the suite....
>> >>> ...until I see them staggering around in circles that are lined up,
>> etc....
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Mike Jing <
>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> I have no idea. If you have anything in mind, I'd be glad to hear it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Why the comma after circles?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Yes.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-12-19 20:09 GMT+01:00 Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>> >>> V702.29-35, P716.26-32   For 15 minutes the two of them run screaming
>> all over the suite, staggering around in circles, lined up with the rooms’
>> diagonals. There is in Laszlo Jamf’s celebrated molecule a particular
>> twist, the so-called “Pökler singularity,” occurring in a certain crippled
>> indole ring, which later Oneirinists, academician and working professional
>> alike, are generally agreed is responsible for the hallucinations which are
>> unique to this drug.
>> >>>
>> >>> What does "lined up with the rooms’ diagonals" describe here? Does it
>> refer to the circles?
>> >>>
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