This is very much NOT NP. All P.

[Atticus Pinecone]

Again, it's a theme throughout his works, so dismissing it here would be strange. Even calling it liebestod tells me you get it too. If we mix in the S&M of GR, I think it brings clarity to the case that eroticism is mixed in with the awfulness—perhaps as Mark says, as a sort of adapting or integrating the oppression. 

As for racism, obviously it doesn't matter if it is or isn't. But I had racism explained to me by a Wellesley grad student the other day, and I assure you, by today's increasingly strange standards, V. would be considered racist. 

Or maybe not—what the hell do I know. Besides GR is way more outrageous :^)

> On Nov 13, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think that brutalized people seeking the release of (inevitable) death can be characterized as " Hereros erotically enjoying their destruction and subjugation" or that Pynchon's explorations of liebestod in the hip-shake here - dwelled on more notably in the later ballet dancer sequence - constitutes disgusting racism.
> 
> LK
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> So adapting to what's imposed on you? 
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 3:45 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "the psychopathology or colonization"...
>>> 
>>> how, psychically, the colonized can inevitably internalize the sickness and sick pleasure of the colonizer...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't catch your meaning.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 3:23 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think Ms d'Abbadie knows from thinkers like Fanon, Seghor and her own experience (somehow) of how the answers to this are answered:
>>>>> "He presents the Hereros as erotically enjoying their destruction & subjugation—and compares black skin and shit."
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the above, see the below: 
>>>>> "As an intellectual, Fanon was a political radical, Pan-Africanist, and Marxist humanist concerned with the psychopathology of colonization,[2] and the human, social, and cultural consequences of decolonization.[3][4][5] "
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Atticus Pinecone <atticuspinecone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't see why Pynchon gets a "pass" on V. & GR. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> He presents the Hereros as erotically enjoying their destruction & subjugation—and compares black skin and shit. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alexandra d'Abbadie is down with that? Or did she miss it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you're subscribing to this style of thought, our good friend Tommy not only doesn't get a pass, he's one of the worst, most disgusting offenders. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 13, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://electricliterature.com/thomas-pynchon-shows-us-how-white-writers-can-avoid-appropriation-8902a5563a1c
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