Re: M&D, the people’s memory vs the internet

[David Morris]

TRP seems to have an affinity with those tribes that shun photo portraits
for fear of soul capture.  But I bet he dreams of doing stand up comedy.

David Morris

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:49 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> A nine pairing of quotes.
>
> The first plays the concept of "Here Now" that the hippies (including TRP)
> sought in the 60's.  This quote makes that time naive of soon to come
> digital slicing and dicing of recording and portraying history and memory.
>
> In GR, calculus was an enemy because it sliced time into infinitely
> smaller frozen segments.  GR likened that sliced recording of reality to
> film recording.  I think the polemic presented involves unmediated
> experience vs the goal of control.
>
> The second quote is a quandry for me.  the "no future" thing sounds new
> age here/now, but it really describes "nothing next."  Pure, nothing else
> next, death.  I think that state is represented by the zero.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:38 PM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's weird you mention that Smoke, must be that zeitgeist or something...
>> I
>> was looking for this passage in Vineland a couple weeks ago to make some
>> point or another, who knows? But it relates to Cherrycoke ... "Frenesi
>> Margaret, Zoyd Herbert, will you, for real, in trouble or in trippiness,
>> promise to remain always on the groovy high known as Love," and so forth,
>> it may have been over in half a minute, there were few if any timepieces
>> among those assembled, and nobody seemed restless, this after all being
>> the
>> Mellow Sixties, a slower moving time, predigital, not yet so cut to
>> pieces,
>> not even by television (pg.38)."
>>
>> For whatever reason, I guess it was a conversation or current events that
>> forced that particular passage into my mind, and I had to do some digging
>> in the novel to find it. It's not particularly profound or important to
>> the
>> novel, but Zoyd is no doubt remembering, and the passage is colored by the
>> contours of his memory... It also illustrates the transition that was
>> happening at the time, as the 1960s/70s were a time where societies were
>> transitioning from an analog to a digital world... This process took time
>> to work itself out, and was still ongoing in the temporal setting of
>> Vineland, circa 1984. These is this interesting passage from Frenesi,
>> "...to ignore history and the dead, to imagine no future, no yet-to-be
>> born, to be able to simply go on defining moments only, purely, by the
>> action that filled them. Here was a world of simplicity and certainty no
>> acidhead, no revolutionary anarchist would ever find, a world based on the
>> one and zero of life and death. Minimal, beautiful. The patterns of lives
>> and deaths... (pg.71)."
>>
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>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Memory, Cherrycoke tells us, belongs to the people.
>> >
>> > Anyone have any thoughts on how the internet, the right to be forgotten,
>> > and/or Bleeding Edge play into this?
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