Re: M&D, the people’s memory vs the internet

[Joseph Tracy]

All he needs is a paper bag. I was just laughing hard as I read the coach ride I just posted about. 
> On Apr 18, 2018, at 11:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> TRP seems to have an affinity with those tribes that shun photo portraits
> for fear of soul capture.  But I bet he dreams of doing stand up comedy.
> 
> David Morris
> 
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 9:49 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A nine pairing of quotes.
>> 
>> The first plays the concept of "Here Now" that the hippies (including TRP)
>> sought in the 60's.  This quote makes that time naive of soon to come
>> digital slicing and dicing of recording and portraying history and memory.
>> 
>> In GR, calculus was an enemy because it sliced time into infinitely
>> smaller frozen segments.  GR likened that sliced recording of reality to
>> film recording.  I think the polemic presented involves unmediated
>> experience vs the goal of control.
>> 
>> The second quote is a quandry for me.  the "no future" thing sounds new
>> age here/now, but it really ddscribes "oothing next."  Pure, nothing else
>> next, death.  I think that state is represented by the zero.
>> 
>> David Morris
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 6:38 PM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It's weird you mention that Smoke, must be that zeitgeist or something...
>>> I
>>> was looking for this passage in Vineland a couple weeks ago to make some
>>> point or another, who knows? But it relates to Cherrycoke ... "Frenesi
>>> Margaret, Zoyd Herbert, will you, for real, in trouble or in trippiness,
>>> promise to remain always on the groovy high known as Love," and so forth,
>>> it may have been over in half a minute, there were few if any timepieces
>>> among those assembled, and nobody seemed restless, this after all being
>>> the
>>> Mellow Sixties, a slower moving time, predigital, not yet so cut to
>>> pieces,
>>> not even by television (pg.38)."
>>> 
>>> For whatever reason, I guess it was a conversation or current events that
>>> forced that particular passage into my mind, and I had to do some digging
>>> in the novel to find it. It's not particularly profound or important to
>>> the
>>> novel, but Zoyd is no doubt remembering, and the passage is colored by the
>>> contours of his memory... It also illustrates the transition that was
>>> happening at the time, as the 1960s/70s were a time where societies were
>>> transitioning from an analog to a digital world... This process took time
>>> to work itself out, and was still ongoing in the temporal setting of
>>> Vineland, circa 1984. These is this interesting passage from Frenesi,
>>> "...to ignore history and the dead, to imagine no future, no yet-to-be
>>> born, to be able to simply go on defining moments only, purely, by the
>>> action that filled them. Here was a world of simplicity and certainty no
>>> acidhead, no revolutionary anarchist would ever find, a world based on the
>>> one and zero of life and death. Minimal, beautiful. The patterns of lives
>>> and deaths... (pg.71)."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Memory, Cherrycoke tells us, belongs to the people.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on how the internet, the right to be forgotten,
>>>> and/or Bleeding Edge play into this?
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