Appreciation of MEK, and IV the movie

Tue Dec 18 11:46:08 CST 2018

I missed Mark's original email due to be old and working full time while
attending grad school. I have no time for my social pleasures.
That's all the excuses I'll float.

That said, Mark, your posts are such that I can read in the time I have.
They are always pithy, often entertaining, and generally enlightening and
engaging. Please continue in the way you do. I certainly endorse your
continued participation in this group. You are a linchpin in its ongoing
function.

It's time for me to watch IV again.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:15 AM Jemmy Bloocher <jbloocher at gmail.com> wrote:

> Very much agreeing - on both fronts, MEK and the movie. I really loved
> Inherent Vice, although I have only seen it once. I remember at the time
> that Dave Monroe watched it many, many times at the cinema. I now associate
> it with the friend that I saw it with, who loved it. Sadly he died the
> following year, also of cancer. I wonder whether it is ever possible to
> separate whole experiences from their individual threads...
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:10 AM peterthooper at juno.com <
> peterthooper at juno.com> wrote:
>
> > What is the p-list without Kohut?
> > Incomplete!
> > With it, an abode of bliss.
> > (apologies to James Joyce)
> > (And to MEK, whose contributions, more nourishing by far than potted
> meat,
> > enliven and encourage)(thanks for many pointers and sharing of
> enthusiasm)
> >
> >
> > Just rewatched _Inherent Vice_
> > Really got quite a bit of the book into the movie, didn't they?
> >
> > The Vitamin C song wasn't in the book, but was consonant with the themes,
> > though imho more sophisticated than most of the music cited in the book.
> > Doc's somewhat naive nature confronting the reality of Shasta driving
> away,
> > grabbing the fin of her car - great choice for the mood
> >
> >
> > That Joaquin Phoenix is amazing! Especially the scene where he and
> > Katherine Waterston embrace in the doorway in the rain. The coziness of
> the
> > architecture and the contrast with the empty lot makes it another moment
> to
> > hold onto like he did with the tailfin.
> >
> > If I could add one thing it'd be the line from the book about wanting to
> > have pictures of every moment, when he is talking with Hope Harlingen. He
> > already set the scene with his fantastic shock and horror take at the
> > picture of Amethyst.
> > Either before or after.
> > I guess they left it because the narrator is Sortilege, whereas that
> > sentiment was only thought by Doc, so would need to be voiced by him or
> an
> > omniscient narrator... but it would fit nicely with also including  the
> > scene where he views footage of the Wolfmann kidnapping and reflects on
> his
> > presence there.
> > And maybe a few more lines for Denis - loved his camera at the Boards'
> > mansion!
> >
> > But that really was a heck of a flick!
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: Jemmy Bloocher <jbloocher at gmail.com>
> > To: Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
> > Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Subject: Re: Restatement of Plist '"LIKE"--OK, LOVE--' and my reasons for
> > posting.
> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 08:26:37 +0100
> >
> > Honestly Mark, I love your input, your emails of everything, your insight
> > and quirky comments, your intellectual debate. Please don't stop. I am
> > clearly a silent plister, which I should change. Your email has given me
> > pause and I will, with renewed vigour, join in the conversation.
> >
> > Emma/Jemmy
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:26 AM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If I had my way, Mark, you would continue posting just as you do. I
> > > can't be the only person here who has trouble imagining what the Plist
> > > would actually be without your contributions--and who regrets not
> > > making more of their own.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:12 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mark!
> > > >
> > > > Don't go changing.  You have become a P-list touchstone.  Yes, you
> are
> > an
> > > > admitted fan-boy, so you are by nature an easy target.  But please
> keep
> > > it
> > > > up.
> > > >
> > > > David Morris
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:22 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Even though the Plist can't finish a Group Read any longer; even
> > though
> > > > > hardly anyone but me posts on rereading impressions and things
> > noticed;
> > > > > even though many postings are not about anything Pynchon (my
> > "failure"
> > > here
> > > > > too--but a wonderful community of anarchic dancing under the
> bridge).
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of some Plisters general  book interest and interest in
> found
> > > > > connections to connections of Pynchon influences and themes
> > > > > and sometimes cannot quite help myself by sending. The responses
> can
> > be
> > > > > unpredictable and illuminating. Perhaps it annoys many who
> > > > > say nothing. Dunno.
> > > > >
> > > > > If enough tell me they are a waste of time--as I was once told I
> have
> > > > > brought down the quality of the list from the olden days--
> > > > > I will stop them. The posts are fewer.
> > > > >
> > > > > I try to respect the difficulty in the way posts appear in the
> > > archives. I
> > > > > moved my email account to this one because the other
> > > > > seemed to appear as gibberish. I have taken the time to explain or
> > > repeat
> > > > > in regular typing when asked.
> > > > > I have sometimes just posted what appears in other social media but
> > > > > sometimes when it
> > > > > seemed more Pynchon-important than something else, I have
> > preemptively
> > > > > recopied. (Hey, I've learned how to
> > > > > use SIRI, who has a lot to learn re typing.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Some still complain about FB and Twitter posts. So it goes. If you
> > > cannot
> > > > > read them or do not want to, then
> > > > > imagine I have not sent them. I am not going to take the time, when
> > > Pynchon
> > > > > is there to be reread, to redo-- esp since
> > > > > the Plist response rate to these kinds of posts would lead any
> survey
> > > taker
> > > > > into bankruptcy. So, also, It goes.
> > > > >
> > > > > WHAT I POST AND WHY, just fyi.
> > > > > Smart Pynchon citations and mentions, I hope. (That is, I hope they
> > > are the
> > > > > smart ones).
> > > > > Pynchon's vision, as I can see it and believe it (I hope more
> > correctly
> > > > > than delusionally) coats my mind and I often see
> > > > > that vision in the real world, I think. To me, great literature
> MUST
> > > > > connect to that world deeply and phenomenologically or it is
> nothing
> > > but
> > > > > crossword puzzles
> > > > > and rhetoric, in effect. Or shallow. I am especially fond of
> posting
> > > about
> > > > > writers and books which seem to have
> > > > > absorbed Pynchon's influences, since I also believe that, in
> general,
> > > it is
> > > > > the best writers who know the genius of
> > > > > the great writers and keep them alive in the present and thereby in
> > > history
> > > > > this way. (There is a book or two about this which shaped my view)
> > > > > I sometimes post impressions of readings. I sometimes post supposed
> > > > > parallels and possible influences--as we lifers
> > > > > know of them and of some new ones,-- (always a leap of supposing
> here
> > > so
> > > > > often just Kute Korrespondences, I'm sure, raised
> > > > > in status--in my own positively paranoid mind. (The paranoia of
> > > > > associationism).
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Plist, although I almost did, I can't quit you, baby. Yet.
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