Appreciation of MEK, and IV the movie

Tue Dec 18 12:07:03 CST 2018

Mark, you're the most hardworking poster on the list. The list would
probably have fizzled long ago without you. Sorry that I've gotten too busy
to do much more than check in now and then. Keep posting!

Happy New Year to all!

Laura

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 1:02 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I missed Mark's original email due to be old and working full time while
> attending grad school. I have no time for my social pleasures.
> That's all the excuses I'll float.
>
> That said, Mark, your posts are such that I can read in the time I have.
> They are always pithy, often entertaining, and generally enlightening and
> engaging. Please continue in the way you do. I certainly endorse your
> continued participation in this group. You are a linchpin in its ongoing
> function.
>
> It's time for me to watch IV again.
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:15 AM Jemmy Bloocher <jbloocher at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Very much agreeing - on both fronts, MEK and the movie. I really loved
> > Inherent Vice, although I have only seen it once. I remember at the time
> > that Dave Monroe watched it many, many times at the cinema. I now
> associate
> > it with the friend that I saw it with, who loved it. Sadly he died the
> > following year, also of cancer. I wonder whether it is ever possible to
> > separate whole experiences from their individual threads...
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:10 AM peterthooper at juno.com <
> > peterthooper at juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What is the p-list without Kohut?
> > > Incomplete!
> > > With it, an abode of bliss.
> > > (apologies to James Joyce)
> > > (And to MEK, whose contributions, more nourishing by far than potted
> > meat,
> > > enliven and encourage)(thanks for many pointers and sharing of
> > enthusiasm)
> > >
> > >
> > > Just rewatched _Inherent Vice_
> > > Really got quite a bit of the book into the movie, didn't they?
> > >
> > > The Vitamin C song wasn't in the book, but was consonant with the
> themes,
> > > though imho more sophisticated than most of the music cited in the
> book.
> > > Doc's somewhat naive nature confronting the reality of Shasta driving
> > away,
> > > grabbing the fin of her car - great choice for the mood
> > >
> > >
> > > That Joaquin Phoenix is amazing! Especially the scene where he and
> > > Katherine Waterston embrace in the doorway in the rain. The coziness of
> > the
> > > architecture and the contrast with the empty lot makes it another
> moment
> > to
> > > hold onto like he did with the tailfin.
> > >
> > > If I could add one thing it'd be the line from the book about wanting
> to
> > > have pictures of every moment, when he is talking with Hope Harlingen.
> He
> > > already set the scene with his fantastic shock and horror take at the
> > > picture of Amethyst.
> > > Either before or after.
> > > I guess they left it because the narrator is Sortilege, whereas that
> > > sentiment was only thought by Doc, so would need to be voiced by him or
> > an
> > > omniscient narrator... but it would fit nicely with also including  the
> > > scene where he views footage of the Wolfmann kidnapping and reflects on
> > his
> > > presence there.
> > > And maybe a few more lines for Denis - loved his camera at the Boards'
> > > mansion!
> > >
> > > But that really was a heck of a flick!
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > > From: Jemmy Bloocher <jbloocher at gmail.com>
> > > To: Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Restatement of Plist '"LIKE"--OK, LOVE--' and my reasons
> for
> > > posting.
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2018 08:26:37 +0100
> > >
> > > Honestly Mark, I love your input, your emails of everything, your
> insight
> > > and quirky comments, your intellectual debate. Please don't stop. I am
> > > clearly a silent plister, which I should change. Your email has given
> me
> > > pause and I will, with renewed vigour, join in the conversation.
> > >
> > > Emma/Jemmy
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 12:26 AM Smoke Teff <smoketeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If I had my way, Mark, you would continue posting just as you do. I
> > > > can't be the only person here who has trouble imagining what the
> Plist
> > > > would actually be without your contributions--and who regrets not
> > > > making more of their own.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 7:12 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark!
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't go changing.  You have become a P-list touchstone.  Yes, you
> > are
> > > an
> > > > > admitted fan-boy, so you are by nature an easy target.  But please
> > keep
> > > > it
> > > > > up.
> > > > >
> > > > > David Morris
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 5:22 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Even though the Plist can't finish a Group Read any longer; even
> > > though
> > > > > > hardly anyone but me posts on rereading impressions and things
> > > noticed;
> > > > > > even though many postings are not about anything Pynchon (my
> > > "failure"
> > > > here
> > > > > > too--but a wonderful community of anarchic dancing under the
> > bridge).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know of some Plisters general  book interest and interest in
> > found
> > > > > > connections to connections of Pynchon influences and themes
> > > > > > and sometimes cannot quite help myself by sending. The responses
> > can
> > > be
> > > > > > unpredictable and illuminating. Perhaps it annoys many who
> > > > > > say nothing. Dunno.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If enough tell me they are a waste of time--as I was once told I
> > have
> > > > > > brought down the quality of the list from the olden days--
> > > > > > I will stop them. The posts are fewer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I try to respect the difficulty in the way posts appear in the
> > > > archives. I
> > > > > > moved my email account to this one because the other
> > > > > > seemed to appear as gibberish. I have taken the time to explain
> or
> > > > repeat
> > > > > > in regular typing when asked.
> > > > > > I have sometimes just posted what appears in other social media
> but
> > > > > > sometimes when it
> > > > > > seemed more Pynchon-important than something else, I have
> > > preemptively
> > > > > > recopied. (Hey, I've learned how to
> > > > > > use SIRI, who has a lot to learn re typing.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some still complain about FB and Twitter posts. So it goes. If
> you
> > > > cannot
> > > > > > read them or do not want to, then
> > > > > > imagine I have not sent them. I am not going to take the time,
> when
> > > > Pynchon
> > > > > > is there to be reread, to redo-- esp since
> > > > > > the Plist response rate to these kinds of posts would lead any
> > survey
> > > > taker
> > > > > > into bankruptcy. So, also, It goes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WHAT I POST AND WHY, just fyi.
> > > > > > Smart Pynchon citations and mentions, I hope. (That is, I hope
> they
> > > > are the
> > > > > > smart ones).
> > > > > > Pynchon's vision, as I can see it and believe it (I hope more
> > > correctly
> > > > > > than delusionally) coats my mind and I often see
> > > > > > that vision in the real world, I think. To me, great literature
> > MUST
> > > > > > connect to that world deeply and phenomenologically or it is
> > nothing
> > > > but
> > > > > > crossword puzzles
> > > > > > and rhetoric, in effect. Or shallow. I am especially fond of
> > posting
> > > > about
> > > > > > writers and books which seem to have
> > > > > > absorbed Pynchon's influences, since I also believe that, in
> > general,
> > > > it is
> > > > > > the best writers who know the genius of
> > > > > > the great writers and keep them alive in the present and thereby
> in
> > > > history
> > > > > > this way. (There is a book or two about this which shaped my
> view)
> > > > > > I sometimes post impressions of readings. I sometimes post
> supposed
> > > > > > parallels and possible influences--as we lifers
> > > > > > know of them and of some new ones,-- (always a leap of supposing
> > here
> > > > so
> > > > > > often just Kute Korrespondences, I'm sure, raised
> > > > > > in status--in my own positively paranoid mind. (The paranoia of
> > > > > > associationism).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Plist, although I almost did, I can't quit you, baby. Yet.
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