AtD translation: a field of bells emerged into flower

[Mark Kohut]

Don't mind me.......speak to Mike and others....

but there's this too: Most bellflowers grow best in full *sun* or partial
shade with consistent moisture

Yes, I think I do...and I know you are not riffing.....as I said,
"impressionistic translation" or too literal or circumstantial judgment
sometimes wrong.


On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 11:57 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do you really mean – "with the naturalists here" – that P is saying,
> across the city of Venice there's a field of bellflowers coming into bloom
> at noontide?
>
> Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 17:26 Uhr schrieb Mark Kohut <
> mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>
>> The previous post was the address of Murano, then and now part of
>> Venice....for what that's worth...
>> one of the 8 Venetian lagoon islands. and .9 miles from the city center,
>> so to speak.
>>
>> I'm with the naturalists here, ......another reason is
>> that Pynchon usually signals such metaphors differently, I say in purely
>> impressionistic memory.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike, Mike, Mark and whoever cares,
>>>
>>> Pynchon begins his sentence, his paragraph, his chapter with "Across the
>>> city" – the city obviously being Venice, not Murano, where the boys
>>> happen
>>> to come swooping in over. There's no need for a glance at Google maps, no
>>> more than for reading what is written there, anyway.
>>>
>>> Don't think I'm riffing, btw.
>>>
>>> Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 15:04 Uhr schrieb Mike Weaver <
>>> mike.weaver at zen.co.uk>:
>>>
>>> > A quick glance at Google Maps reveals the whole of the north of the
>>> > island is green space and there are other patches to the south of that.
>>> > And we are talking about  100 years ago and more when those spaces
>>> might
>>> > well have been fields rather than parks. And there are probably several
>>> > campanulas native or endemic to Italy. The only one it is unlikely to
>>> be
>>> > is Italian Bellflower which is native to the mountains.
>>> > It is always enjoyable reading the riffing that many of you enjoy as a
>>> > response to P's writing, but sometimes that is what they are - riffs,
>>> > and the original is at base a poetic description.
>>> >
>>> > cheers
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 18/02/2019 07:43, Jochen Stremmel wrote:
>>> > > Right, Mike, there surely is no field of bellflowers in Venice,
>>> > especially
>>> > > not one that emerges at noontide into flower and could be seen from a
>>> > > balloon.
>>> > >
>>> > > Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 06:42 Uhr schrieb Mike Jing <
>>> > > gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
>>> > >
>>> > >> This sound/image did cross my mind, but I wasn't sure. Is there
>>> place
>>> > for
>>> > >> a field of bellflowers in Murano/Venice? That's noticeable from a
>>> > balloon?
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 4:07 AM Jochen Stremmel <
>>> jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> What about the bells of Venice, the city, ringing at noontide with
>>> all
>>> > >>> their might, and the flower being a metaphor for just this?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> J
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Am Sa., 16. Feb. 2019 um 04:46 Uhr schrieb David Morris <
>>> > >>> fqmorris at gmail.com
>>> > >>>> :
>>> > >>>> My take:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Island Murano's fame is its glass monopoly.  The objects,
>>> chimneys,
>>> > that
>>> > >>>> rise, "emerge," above the red clay roofs, are from glass furnaces.
>>> > Maybe
>>> > >>>> the flower imagery is from smoke plumes, but that's pretty weak.
>>> But
>>> > >>> might
>>> > >>>> that smoke be blue, like the bell flower?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> David Morris
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:22 PM Mike Weaver <
>>> mike.weaver at zen.co.uk>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>>> campanula's are known as bell flowers as here
>>> > >>>>> <
>>> > https://www.123rf.com/photo_55855915_field-with-wild-bellflower.html
>>> > >>>>> On 16/02/2019 00:49, Mike Jing wrote:
>>> > >>>>>> P243.1-6   Across the city noontide a field of bells emerged
>>> into
>>> > >>>> flower,
>>> > >>>>>> as the boys came swooping in over Murano, above wide-topped
>>> red-clay
>>> > >>>>>> chimneys the size of smokestacks, known as fumaioli, according
>>> to
>>> > >>> the
>>> > >>>>> local
>>> > >>>>>> pilot, Zanni. “Very dangerous, the sparks, they could blow up
>>> the
>>> > >>>>> balloon,
>>> > >>>>>> certo,” drops of perspiration flying off his face at all
>>> angles, as
>>> > >>> if
>>> > >>>>>> self-propelled.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> What does "a field of bells emerged into flower" mean here?
>>> > >>>>>> --
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>>> > >>>>>
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