AtD translation: a field of bells emerged into flower

[Mark Kohut]

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On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:08 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you naturalists think "P is saying, across the city of Venice there's a
> field of bellflowers coming into bloom at noontide?" then how does that
> work with these other words?
>
> "as the boys came swooping in over Murano, above wide-topped red clay
> chimneys the size of smokestacks, known as fumaioli, according to the local
> pilot, Zanni."
>
> David Morris
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:57 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Do you really mean – "with the naturalists here" – that P is saying,
> across
> > the city of Venice there's a field of bellflowers coming into bloom at
> > noontide?
> >
> > Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 17:26 Uhr schrieb Mark Kohut <
> > mark.kohut at gmail.com
> > >:
> >
> > > The previous post was the address of Murano, then and now part of
> > > Venice....for what that's worth...
> > > one of the 8 Venetian lagoon islands. and .9 miles from the city
> center,
> > > so to speak.
> > >
> > > I'm with the naturalists here, ......another reason is
> > > that Pynchon usually signals such metaphors differently, I say in
> purely
> > > impressionistic memory.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mike, Mike, Mark and whoever cares,
> > >>
> > >> Pynchon begins his sentence, his paragraph, his chapter with "Across
> the
> > >> city" – the city obviously being Venice, not Murano, where the boys
> > happen
> > >> to come swooping in over. There's no need for a glance at Google maps,
> > no
> > >> more than for reading what is written there, anyway.
> > >>
> > >> Don't think I'm riffing, btw.
> > >>
> > >> Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 15:04 Uhr schrieb Mike Weaver <
> > >> mike.weaver at zen.co.uk>:
> > >>
> > >> > A quick glance at Google Maps reveals the whole of the north of the
> > >> > island is green space and there are other patches to the south of
> > that.
> > >> > And we are talking about  100 years ago and more when those spaces
> > might
> > >> > well have been fields rather than parks. And there are probably
> > several
> > >> > campanulas native or endemic to Italy. The only one it is unlikely
> to
> > be
> > >> > is Italian Bellflower which is native to the mountains.
> > >> > It is always enjoyable reading the riffing that many of you enjoy
> as a
> > >> > response to P's writing, but sometimes that is what they are -
> riffs,
> > >> > and the original is at base a poetic description.
> > >> >
> > >> > cheers
> > >> > Mike
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 18/02/2019 07:43, Jochen Stremmel wrote:
> > >> > > Right, Mike, there surely is no field of bellflowers in Venice,
> > >> > especially
> > >> > > not one that emerges at noontide into flower and could be seen
> from
> > a
> > >> > > balloon.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Am Mo., 18. Feb. 2019 um 06:42 Uhr schrieb Mike Jing <
> > >> > > gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> This sound/image did cross my mind, but I wasn't sure. Is there
> > place
> > >> > for
> > >> > >> a field of bellflowers in Murano/Venice? That's noticeable from a
> > >> > balloon?
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 4:07 AM Jochen Stremmel <
> > jstremmel at gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>> What about the bells of Venice, the city, ringing at noontide
> with
> > >> all
> > >> > >>> their might, and the flower being a metaphor for just this?
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> J
> > >> > >>>
> > >> > >>> Am Sa., 16. Feb. 2019 um 04:46 Uhr schrieb David Morris <
> > >> > >>> fqmorris at gmail.com
> > >> > >>>> :
> > >> > >>>> My take:
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> Island Murano's fame is its glass monopoly.  The objects,
> > chimneys,
> > >> > that
> > >> > >>>> rise, "emerge," above the red clay roofs, are from glass
> > furnaces.
> > >> > Maybe
> > >> > >>>> the flower imagery is from smoke plumes, but that's pretty
> weak.
> > >> But
> > >> > >>> might
> > >> > >>>> that smoke be blue, like the bell flower?
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> David Morris
> > >> > >>>>
> > >> > >>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 8:22 PM Mike Weaver <
> > mike.weaver at zen.co.uk
> > >> >
> > >> > >>> wrote:
> > >> > >>>>> campanula's are known as bell flowers as here
> > >> > >>>>> <
> > >> >
> https://www.123rf.com/photo_55855915_field-with-wild-bellflower.html
> > >> > >>>>> On 16/02/2019 00:49, Mike Jing wrote:
> > >> > >>>>>> P243.1-6   Across the city noontide a field of bells emerged
> > into
> > >> > >>>> flower,
> > >> > >>>>>> as the boys came swooping in over Murano, above wide-topped
> > >> red-clay
> > >> > >>>>>> chimneys the size of smokestacks, known as fumaioli,
> according
> > to
> > >> > >>> the
> > >> > >>>>> local
> > >> > >>>>>> pilot, Zanni. “Very dangerous, the sparks, they could blow up
> > the
> > >> > >>>>> balloon,
> > >> > >>>>>> certo,” drops of perspiration flying off his face at all
> > angles,
> > >> as
> > >> > >>> if
> > >> > >>>>>> self-propelled.
> > >> > >>>>>>
> > >> > >>>>>> What does "a field of bells emerged into flower" mean here?
> > >> > >>>>>> --
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