Not P just Dylan's latest by indirection

Sun Apr 5 21:10:17 UTC 2020

Just using Gary's longer worth-reading post to snag the Forward to
add a tidbit on the song...

You know where Dylan says take a left from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
hospital?
it is actually a right.....pretty nice way, I say, to allude to the
interpretations of the Left, no?

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:31 PM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Our city-look around you, see with your own eyes-our ship pitches wildly,
> cannot lift her head from the depths, the red waves of death...Thebes is
> dying. A blight on the fresh crops and the rich pastures, cattle sicken and
> die, and the women die in labor, children stillborn, and the plague, the
> fiery god of fever hurls down on the city, his lightening slashing through
> us-raging plague in all its vengeance, devastating the house of Cadmus! And
> black Death luxuriates in the raw, wailing miseries of Thebes" - Sophocles,
> Fagles translation (pg.160)
>
> The Kennedy nostalgia is definitely generational... I think culturally,
> Americans see the early 60s, Pre-November 1963, through this weird Happy
> Days / American Graffiti lens...
>
> Most Americans don't know how violent and dangerous the early Post War Era
> was... Robert Caro has given us magisterial books on the life of LBJ, and
> really some such treatment is needed for JFK, most Kennedy mainstream
> history books are hagiography, or stupid Conservative hit pieces... which
> is why books like American Tabloid and Libra are so good, and so
> necessary... Fiction has to smash the shield...
>
> Was Joe Kennedy Sr. a bootlegger? And, more specifically, what were his
> ties to organized crime? Most Kennedy people deny til red in the face these
> allegations, and they're right in the sense that there isn't much evidence
> to corroborate... just hearsay from people like Frank Costello and Meyer
> Lansky...
>
> "Freedom, oh freedom, freedom over me
> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19399828>
> I hate to tell you, mister, but only dead men are free
> Send me some lovin', then tell me no lie
> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19399908>
> Throw the gun in the gutter and walk on by
> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19466776> "
>
> Throw the gun in the gutter and walk on by...  was this a mob hit?
>
> Also, read Timothy Wiener's Legacy of Ashes... the title comes from a
> statement made by Eisenhower to Allen Dulles over the U2 Spy
> program...shortly before he left office...
>
> Americans call the early post War period the "Cold War" knowing full well
> it was anything but... Most of the world was on fire... China, Korea,
> French Indochina, South America, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and
> Africa (especially France v. Algeria at the time)...
>
> Kennedy inherited Cuba, and his handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis no
> doubt angered the Hawks hellbent on war (Viz. Dr. Strangelove...), it
> angered the Mob who lost untold fortunes due to the triumph of Castro, and
> Dulles was sent packing after the Bay of Pigs... What was the connection
> between American Organized Crime and the CIA/FBI?
>
> The Camelot thing, to me at least, is easy to dismiss as sort of a Joe
> Sr/Media/Hollywood Psy-Op... JFK was a venomous entitled playboy and a very
> frail physically sick man... and Kennedy never had the political will to
> pursue civil rights (See Baldwin/Kennedy meeting below)... LBJ deserves
> some credit on this point... I don't buy that he was "Their" man... despite
> his voluminous faults, and his obsession with the Kennedy ghost...(Like
> Hamlet, to some extent...)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin%E2%80%93Kennedy_meeting
>
> Verse 2 is Dylan at his best. He's always tried to remove himself from 60s
> pop culture, even though he to some extent created it...
>
> I'm goin' to Woodstock, it's the Aquarian Age
> Then I'll go over to Altamont and sit near the stage
> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19406769>
> Put your head out the window, let the good times roll
> There's a party going on behind the Grassy Knoll
> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19397997>
>
> I think that is is best line in the song. Even though Dylan was living in
> Woodstock in 69, and the Aquarian Age was desperately seeking him as their
> spokesperson/savior it is remarkable how much he rejected this label. Read
> Dylan's words about his state of mind during his sojourn in Woodstock (pg.
> 116, Chronicles:Volume 1):
> "Moochers showed up from as far away as California on pilgrimages. Goons
> were breaking into our place all hours of the night. At first, it was
> merely nomadic homeless making illegal entry-seemed harmless enough, but
> then rogue radicals looking for the Prince of Protest began to
> arrive-unaccountable-looking characters, gargoyle-looking gals, scarecrows,
> stragglers looking to party, raid the pantry...."
>
> pg. 117:
>
> "These gate-crashers, spooks, trespassers, demagogues were all disrupting
> my home life and the fact that I was not to piss them off or they could
> press charges really didn't appeal to me. Each day and night was fraught
> with difficulties. Everything was wrong, the world was absurd. It was
> backing me into a corner. Even persons near and dear offered no relief."
>
> The party behind the Grassy Knoll. It's the distraction...Every moment from
> the 60s like the moon landing or Sharon Tate's murder... They all have this
> weird conspiracy nexus... Operation Paperclip... Operation Artichoke
> (MK-Ultra)... was anything real?
>
> Murder Most Foul is the unanswered questions... maybe even unanswerable..
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What will happen in the poor nations of Africa?
> > Will Chinese soft power save the poor blacks, a new paternalism?
> > We must have comedy and satire so we can dismantle the conflicts, the
> > fights, the wars, so that dialogue can begin laughing on our knees. As
> > Bill Withers sez, Lean on me. We got to lean on and we got to stop
> > trying to make the best political use of a crisis.
> > Surely, comedy is better than the bickering, finger pointing, the
> > political revisionism, and the fog.
> >
> > Chomsky, I say,  would get it.
> > Like how we learned to love the plague.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:37 PM ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not an American, so your 45 not mine, but no. He's spot on.
> > >
> > > Good to call to the German government on selfishness. Open the purse
> > > Andrea and spend to support the PIIGS.
> > > Spend to support the the world. But Germany, with its fetish for the
> > > Zero, though reluctantly has let a few moths out of the purse, is
> > > looking out for Germany.
> > >
> > > Thus far, the worst by, far is the USA. Not surprising.
> > > Though Brazil may take the biggest loser prize yet. A trillion BRL is
> > > a drop in the bucket.
> > > They are behind the curve big time.
> > > Pity the Latin American Nations with no chance and winter on the way.
> > > Disaster made worse because the USA and Japan ans Europe, the wealthy
> > > nations, WHO...etc....fumbled and, not to mention the assholes trying
> > > to win oil market share.
> > >
> > > Shocking, indeed.
> > >
> > > What can we do? Laugh though our hearts are breaking.
> > > But let us not let Chomsky or anyone else off the hook.
> > > This is not a war. He condones the military language. BS. This is a
> > > pandemic not a war.
> > >
> > > War is not the answer, Brother.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:58 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is he so wrong, calling your President a sociopathic buffoon?
> > > >
> > > > "In Europe, to some extent, it's happened. Germany ... did have spare
> > diagnostic capacity and was able to act in a highly selfish fashion, not
> > helping others but for itself at least, to evident reasonable
> containment.
> > > >
> > > > Other countries just ignored it. The worst was the United Kingdom and
> > the worst of all was the United States.
> > > >
> > > > One day he says, 'There is no crisis, it's just like flu.' The next
> > day, 'It's a terrible crisis and I knew it all along.' The next day, 'We
> > have to go back to the business, because I have to win the election'. The
> > idea that the world is in these hands is shocking."
> > > >
> > > > No?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am Sa., 4. Apr. 2020 um 16:55 Uhr schrieb ish mailian <
> > ishmailian at gmail.com>:
> > > >>
> > > >> In the classical tradition, Sophocles and Thucydides have been
> > > >> mentioned here, and I would add Aristophanes.
> > > >> Aristophanes?   Plague jokes? Yeah, we need a comic look at all
> this.
> > > >>
> > > >> How bad is this: Watching old man Chomsky try to tie Event 201 to
> > > >> Neoliberalism? Can we make fun of Chomsky? The disease is everywhere
> > > >> and it stains everything, even our greatest intellectuals.
> > > >>
> > > >> "This coronavirus pandemic could have been prevented, the
> information
> > > >> was there to prevent it. In fact, it was well-known. In October
> 2019,
> > > >> just before the outbreak, there was a large-scale simulation in the
> > > >> United States - possible pandemic of this kind," he said, referring
> to
> > > >> an exercise - titled Event 201 - hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center
> > > >> for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and
> > > >> the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation."
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:47 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "Stan Brakhage, the filmmaker, once banned the newspaper from his
> > house and
> > > >> > substituted Tacitus, which he read to his family daily. He had
> > reached the
> > > >> > assassination of Caesar on November 22, 1963."
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