Not P just Dylan's latest by indirection

Sun Apr 5 21:18:01 UTC 2020

I accidentally sent this before double-checking the line and getting it
exact:

"Dealey Plaza, make a left-hand turn".........no allusion to the trip to
the hospital but
since that is a right hand turn I think my point is the same....

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:10 PM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just using Gary's longer worth-reading post to snag the Forward to
> add a tidbit on the song...
>
> You know where Dylan says take a left from Dealey Plaza to Parkland
> hospital?
> it is actually a right.....pretty nice way, I say, to allude to the
> interpretations of the Left, no?
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 4:31 PM gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Our city-look around you, see with your own eyes-our ship pitches wildly,
>> cannot lift her head from the depths, the red waves of death...Thebes is
>> dying. A blight on the fresh crops and the rich pastures, cattle sicken
>> and
>> die, and the women die in labor, children stillborn, and the plague, the
>> fiery god of fever hurls down on the city, his lightening slashing through
>> us-raging plague in all its vengeance, devastating the house of Cadmus!
>> And
>> black Death luxuriates in the raw, wailing miseries of Thebes" -
>> Sophocles,
>> Fagles translation (pg.160)
>>
>> The Kennedy nostalgia is definitely generational... I think culturally,
>> Americans see the early 60s, Pre-November 1963, through this weird Happy
>> Days / American Graffiti lens...
>>
>> Most Americans don't know how violent and dangerous the early Post War Era
>> was... Robert Caro has given us magisterial books on the life of LBJ, and
>> really some such treatment is needed for JFK, most Kennedy mainstream
>> history books are hagiography, or stupid Conservative hit pieces... which
>> is why books like American Tabloid and Libra are so good, and so
>> necessary... Fiction has to smash the shield...
>>
>> Was Joe Kennedy Sr. a bootlegger? And, more specifically, what were his
>> ties to organized crime? Most Kennedy people deny til red in the face
>> these
>> allegations, and they're right in the sense that there isn't much evidence
>> to corroborate... just hearsay from people like Frank Costello and Meyer
>> Lansky...
>>
>> "Freedom, oh freedom, freedom over me
>> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19399828>
>> I hate to tell you, mister, but only dead men are free
>> Send me some lovin', then tell me no lie
>> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19399908>
>> Throw the gun in the gutter and walk on by
>> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19466776> "
>>
>> Throw the gun in the gutter and walk on by...  was this a mob hit?
>>
>> Also, read Timothy Wiener's Legacy of Ashes... the title comes from a
>> statement made by Eisenhower to Allen Dulles over the U2 Spy
>> program...shortly before he left office...
>>
>> Americans call the early post War period the "Cold War" knowing full well
>> it was anything but... Most of the world was on fire... China, Korea,
>> French Indochina, South America, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and
>> Africa (especially France v. Algeria at the time)...
>>
>> Kennedy inherited Cuba, and his handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis no
>> doubt angered the Hawks hellbent on war (Viz. Dr. Strangelove...), it
>> angered the Mob who lost untold fortunes due to the triumph of Castro, and
>> Dulles was sent packing after the Bay of Pigs... What was the connection
>> between American Organized Crime and the CIA/FBI?
>>
>> The Camelot thing, to me at least, is easy to dismiss as sort of a Joe
>> Sr/Media/Hollywood Psy-Op... JFK was a venomous entitled playboy and a
>> very
>> frail physically sick man... and Kennedy never had the political will to
>> pursue civil rights (See Baldwin/Kennedy meeting below)... LBJ deserves
>> some credit on this point... I don't buy that he was "Their" man...
>> despite
>> his voluminous faults, and his obsession with the Kennedy ghost...(Like
>> Hamlet, to some extent...)
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin%E2%80%93Kennedy_meeting
>>
>> Verse 2 is Dylan at his best. He's always tried to remove himself from 60s
>> pop culture, even though he to some extent created it...
>>
>> I'm goin' to Woodstock, it's the Aquarian Age
>> Then I'll go over to Altamont and sit near the stage
>> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19406769>
>> Put your head out the window, let the good times roll
>> There's a party going on behind the Grassy Knoll
>> <https://genius.com/Bob-dylan-murder-most-foul-lyrics#note-19397997>
>>
>> I think that is is best line in the song. Even though Dylan was living in
>> Woodstock in 69, and the Aquarian Age was desperately seeking him as their
>> spokesperson/savior it is remarkable how much he rejected this label. Read
>> Dylan's words about his state of mind during his sojourn in Woodstock (pg.
>> 116, Chronicles:Volume 1):
>> "Moochers showed up from as far away as California on pilgrimages. Goons
>> were breaking into our place all hours of the night. At first, it was
>> merely nomadic homeless making illegal entry-seemed harmless enough, but
>> then rogue radicals looking for the Prince of Protest began to
>> arrive-unaccountable-looking characters, gargoyle-looking gals,
>> scarecrows,
>> stragglers looking to party, raid the pantry...."
>>
>> pg. 117:
>>
>> "These gate-crashers, spooks, trespassers, demagogues were all disrupting
>> my home life and the fact that I was not to piss them off or they could
>> press charges really didn't appeal to me. Each day and night was fraught
>> with difficulties. Everything was wrong, the world was absurd. It was
>> backing me into a corner. Even persons near and dear offered no relief."
>>
>> The party behind the Grassy Knoll. It's the distraction...Every moment
>> from
>> the 60s like the moon landing or Sharon Tate's murder... They all have
>> this
>> weird conspiracy nexus... Operation Paperclip... Operation Artichoke
>> (MK-Ultra)... was anything real?
>>
>> Murder Most Foul is the unanswered questions... maybe even unanswerable..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What will happen in the poor nations of Africa?
>> > Will Chinese soft power save the poor blacks, a new paternalism?
>> > We must have comedy and satire so we can dismantle the conflicts, the
>> > fights, the wars, so that dialogue can begin laughing on our knees. As
>> > Bill Withers sez, Lean on me. We got to lean on and we got to stop
>> > trying to make the best political use of a crisis.
>> > Surely, comedy is better than the bickering, finger pointing, the
>> > political revisionism, and the fog.
>> >
>> > Chomsky, I say,  would get it.
>> > Like how we learned to love the plague.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:37 PM ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Not an American, so your 45 not mine, but no. He's spot on.
>> > >
>> > > Good to call to the German government on selfishness. Open the purse
>> > > Andrea and spend to support the PIIGS.
>> > > Spend to support the the world. But Germany, with its fetish for the
>> > > Zero, though reluctantly has let a few moths out of the purse, is
>> > > looking out for Germany.
>> > >
>> > > Thus far, the worst by, far is the USA. Not surprising.
>> > > Though Brazil may take the biggest loser prize yet. A trillion BRL is
>> > > a drop in the bucket.
>> > > They are behind the curve big time.
>> > > Pity the Latin American Nations with no chance and winter on the way.
>> > > Disaster made worse because the USA and Japan ans Europe, the wealthy
>> > > nations, WHO...etc....fumbled and, not to mention the assholes trying
>> > > to win oil market share.
>> > >
>> > > Shocking, indeed.
>> > >
>> > > What can we do? Laugh though our hearts are breaking.
>> > > But let us not let Chomsky or anyone else off the hook.
>> > > This is not a war. He condones the military language. BS. This is a
>> > > pandemic not a war.
>> > >
>> > > War is not the answer, Brother.
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 11:58 AM Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Is he so wrong, calling your President a sociopathic buffoon?
>> > > >
>> > > > "In Europe, to some extent, it's happened. Germany ... did have
>> spare
>> > diagnostic capacity and was able to act in a highly selfish fashion, not
>> > helping others but for itself at least, to evident reasonable
>> containment.
>> > > >
>> > > > Other countries just ignored it. The worst was the United Kingdom
>> and
>> > the worst of all was the United States.
>> > > >
>> > > > One day he says, 'There is no crisis, it's just like flu.' The next
>> > day, 'It's a terrible crisis and I knew it all along.' The next day, 'We
>> > have to go back to the business, because I have to win the election'.
>> The
>> > idea that the world is in these hands is shocking."
>> > > >
>> > > > No?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Am Sa., 4. Apr. 2020 um 16:55 Uhr schrieb ish mailian <
>> > ishmailian at gmail.com>:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> In the classical tradition, Sophocles and Thucydides have been
>> > > >> mentioned here, and I would add Aristophanes.
>> > > >> Aristophanes?   Plague jokes? Yeah, we need a comic look at all
>> this.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> How bad is this: Watching old man Chomsky try to tie Event 201 to
>> > > >> Neoliberalism? Can we make fun of Chomsky? The disease is
>> everywhere
>> > > >> and it stains everything, even our greatest intellectuals.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "This coronavirus pandemic could have been prevented, the
>> information
>> > > >> was there to prevent it. In fact, it was well-known. In October
>> 2019,
>> > > >> just before the outbreak, there was a large-scale simulation in the
>> > > >> United States - possible pandemic of this kind," he said,
>> referring to
>> > > >> an exercise - titled Event 201 - hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center
>> > > >> for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum
>> and
>> > > >> the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:47 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > "Stan Brakhage, the filmmaker, once banned the newspaper from his
>> > house and
>> > > >> > substituted Tacitus, which he read to his family daily. He had
>> > reached the
>> > > >> > assassination of Caesar on November 22, 1963."
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