Re: Zoyd’s progress

[Mark Kohut]

I mean, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING INSIDE? Where our house
is bigger inside than from the outside.



On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM John Fulford <johnfulford at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Yessiram to VL Group Read!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 11 Apr 2020, at 14:35, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey guys, all and Jerky too,
> >
> > Dare this Quixote ask for the Love, love is strange, of a new Group Read
> of
> > Vineland?
> >
> > Vineland. America then...and how now?
> >
> > America.
> >
> >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:27 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well-thought writing, Raphael. Thank you.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:51 AM Raphael Saltwood <
> >> PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 9:31 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com<
> >>>
> >>
> https://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/mobile/8?folder=Inbox&msgNum=0000LTW0:001UZnwn000034qb&block=1&msgNature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1586583144#
> >>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This attachment to innocence and youth, is ubiquitous in american
> art,
> >>>> and with few exceptions (Henry James comes to mind) is at the heart of
> >>>> American prose fiction, in the so-called novel, and is not something
> >>>> america can grow up and out of  on this side of paradise. Zoyd, of
> >>>> course, is Slothroplike, childish and innocent,  but is, because it's
> >>>> 1984, though no Big Brother totalitarianism but rather Neoliberal
> >>>> torments him, a working class male trying to raise a daughter in his
> >>>> hippie hair and dress. Like Jim and Huck, naked on the raft, he floats
> >>>> past the flotsam of what is left in Gatsby's wake, avoiding the shore
> >>>> as the trees cleared for Gatsby's mansion are clear cut on the other
> >>>> side of Vinland the Good, Zoyd, a member of the Multitude (Spinozian),
> >>>> can only partake in the picnic of old lefties and young mutants.
> >>>
> >>> As one matures, if that actually happens,
> >>>
> >>> one still loves youth and innocence but gradually learns to love it in
> >>> others, protect it, nurture it.
> >>>
> >>> If Benny Profane's tale was an anti-Bildungsroman, not learning a g-d
> >>> thing,
> >>>
> >>> and Slothrop's an anti-Odyssey, the wily voyager morphing beyond the
> >>> possibility of coming home,
> >>>
> >>> Vineland for me has always been Pynchon's first novel with a net
> positive
> >>> developmental theme for the protagonist (I could argue for CoL49 - the
> >> fact
> >>> that she goes to the auction means she’s beginning to cope...hmmm)
> >>>
> >>> (obviously there is much more to V and GR than the protagonist's
> outcome,
> >>> but still...)
> >>>
> >>> First action - Zoyd wakes up. Th
>
>