Re: Zoyd’s progress

[Ian Livingston]

Golly, Mark, et al., even I suddenly have time on my hands, though I
continue working, as my occupation puts me among the "essentials". I'd have
less time than some, but more than I've had in a number of years.

Count that as an "aye" vote.


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:49 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I mean, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING INSIDE? Where our house
> is bigger inside than from the outside.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM John Fulford <johnfulford at btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yessiram to VL Group Read!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 11 Apr 2020, at 14:35, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey guys, all and Jerky too,
> > >
> > > Dare this Quixote ask for the Love, love is strange, of a new Group
> Read
> > of
> > > Vineland?
> > >
> > > Vineland. America then...and how now?
> > >
> > > America.
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:27 AM Ian Livingston <
> igrlivingston at gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Well-thought writing, Raphael. Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:51 AM Raphael Saltwood <
> > >> PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 9:31 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com<
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/mobile/8?folder=Inbox&msgNum=0000LTW0:001UZnwn000034qb&block=1&msgNature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1586583144#
> > >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This attachment to innocence and youth, is ubiquitous in american
> > art,
> > >>>> and with few exceptions (Henry James comes to mind) is at the heart
> of
> > >>>> American prose fiction, in the so-called novel, and is not something
> > >>>> america can grow up and out of  on this side of paradise. Zoyd, of
> > >>>> course, is Slothroplike, childish and innocent,  but is, because
> it's
> > >>>> 1984, though no Big Brother totalitarianism but rather Neoliberal
> > >>>> torments him, a working class male trying to raise a daughter in his
> > >>>> hippie hair and dress. Like Jim and Huck, naked on the raft, he
> floats
> > >>>> past the flotsam of what is left in Gatsby's wake, avoiding the
> shore
> > >>>> as the trees cleared for Gatsby's mansion are clear cut on the other
> > >>>> side of Vinland the Good, Zoyd, a member of the Multitude
> (Spinozian),
> > >>>> can only partake in the picnic of old lefties and young mutants.
> > >>>
> > >>> As one matures, if that actually happens,
> > >>>
> > >>> one still loves youth and innocence but gradually learns to love it
> in
> > >>> others, protect it, nurture it.
> > >>>
> > >>> If Benny Profane's tale was an anti-Bildungsroman, not learning a g-d
> > >>> thing,
> > >>>
> > >>> and Slothrop's an anti-Odyssey, the wily voyager morphing beyond the
> > >>> possibility of coming home,
> > >>>
> > >>> Vineland for me has always been Pynchon's first novel with a net
> > positive
> > >>> developmental theme for the protagonist (I could argue for CoL49 -
> the
> > >> fact
> > >>> that she goes to the auction means she’s beginning to cope...hmmm)
> > >>>
> > >>> (obviously there is much more to V and GR than the protagonist's
> > outcome,
> > >>> but still...)
> > >>>
> > >>> First action - Zoyd wakes up. Th
> >
> >
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