Re: Zoyd’s progress

[Keith Davis]

Raphael, 
Great post about my favorite Mr. P novel. Just re-read it for maybe the fourth or fifth time a few weeks ago.
Thanks.
kd

Www.keithdavismusic.com

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you go first, you set the rails.
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:55 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> To be perfectly honest with you guys, I have never been able to figure out
>> just exactly how these group read thingies are supposed to work...
>> particularly the part where individuals are deputized to steer the
>> discussion among the other participants for a set, designated amount of
>> time. Every time I have tried to take part, it has always felt to me as if
>> everything goes off the rails as soon as it gets to my turn, and I can't
>> help but think it's got something to do with me, that I am missing some key
>> elements of what the task at hand entails.
>> 
>> Now, having said that, I will be happy to follow along and chime in, if a
>> new VL group read were to take place. I would also happily read along if a
>> Bleeding Edge group read were to be attempted. I just don't want to be
>> responsible for any sections, because I have a history of obviously sucking
>> at the job.
>> 
>> Yours sincerely;
>> Yer old pal Jerky
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Golly, Mark, et al., even I suddenly have time on my hands, though I
>>> continue working, as my occupation puts me among the "essentials". I'd
>>> have
>>> less time than some, but more than I've had in a number of years.
>>> 
>>> Count that as an "aye" vote.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:49 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I mean, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING INSIDE? Where our house
>>>> is bigger inside than from the outside.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM John Fulford <
>>> johnfulford at btinternet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yessiram to VL Group Read!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 14:35, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey guys, all and Jerky too,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dare this Quixote ask for the Love, love is strange, of a new Group
>>>> Read
>>>>> of
>>>>>> Vineland?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Vineland. America then...and how now?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> America.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:27 AM Ian Livingston <
>>>> igrlivingston at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well-thought writing, Raphael. Thank you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:51 AM Raphael Saltwood <
>>>>>>> PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 9:31 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com<
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> https://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/mobile/8?folder=Inbox&msgNum=0000LTW0:001UZnwn000034qb&block=1&msgNature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1586583144#
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This attachment to innocence and youth, is ubiquitous in
>>> american
>>>>> art,
>>>>>>>>> and with few exceptions (Henry James comes to mind) is at the
>>> heart
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> American prose fiction, in the so-called novel, and is not
>>> something
>>>>>>>>> america can grow up and out of  on this side of paradise. Zoyd,
>>> of
>>>>>>>>> course, is Slothroplike, childish and innocent,  but is, because
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> 1984, though no Big Brother totalitarianism but rather Neoliberal
>>>>>>>>> torments him, a working class male trying to raise a daughter in
>>> his
>>>>>>>>> hippie hair and dress. Like Jim and Huck, naked on the raft, he
>>>> floats
>>>>>>>>> past the flotsam of what is left in Gatsby's wake, avoiding the
>>>> shore
>>>>>>>>> as the trees cleared for Gatsby's mansion are clear cut on the
>>> other
>>>>>>>>> side of Vinland the Good, Zoyd, a member of the Multitude
>>>> (Spinozian),
>>>>>>>>> can only partake in the picnic of old lefties and young mutants.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As one matures, if that actually happens,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> one still loves youth and innocence but gradually learns to love
>>> it
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> others, protect it, nurture it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If Benny Profane's tale was an anti-Bildungsroman, not learning a
>>> g-d
>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and Slothrop's an anti-Odyssey, the wily voyager morphing beyond
>>> the
>>>>>>>> possibility of coming home,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Vineland for me has always been Pynchon's first novel with a net
>>>>> positive
>>>>>>>> developmental theme for the protagonist (I could argue for CoL49 -
>>>> the
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>> that she goes to the auction means she’s beginning to cope...hmmm)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (obviously there is much more to V and GR than the protagonist's
>>>>> outcome,
>>>>>>>> but still...)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> First action - Zoyd wakes up. Th
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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