Re: Zoyd’s progress

[Mark Kohut]

If you go first, you set the rails.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:55 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> To be perfectly honest with you guys, I have never been able to figure out
> just exactly how these group read thingies are supposed to work...
> particularly the part where individuals are deputized to steer the
> discussion among the other participants for a set, designated amount of
> time. Every time I have tried to take part, it has always felt to me as if
> everything goes off the rails as soon as it gets to my turn, and I can't
> help but think it's got something to do with me, that I am missing some key
> elements of what the task at hand entails.
>
> Now, having said that, I will be happy to follow along and chime in, if a
> new VL group read were to take place. I would also happily read along if a
> Bleeding Edge group read were to be attempted. I just don't want to be
> responsible for any sections, because I have a history of obviously sucking
> at the job.
>
> Yours sincerely;
> Yer old pal Jerky
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:33 AM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Golly, Mark, et al., even I suddenly have time on my hands, though I
>> continue working, as my occupation puts me among the "essentials". I'd
>> have
>> less time than some, but more than I've had in a number of years.
>>
>> Count that as an "aye" vote.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:49 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I mean, WHAT ELSE ARE WE DOING INSIDE? Where our house
>> > is bigger inside than from the outside.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:40 AM John Fulford <
>> johnfulford at btinternet.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yessiram to VL Group Read!
>> > >
>> > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >
>> > > > On 11 Apr 2020, at 14:35, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hey guys, all and Jerky too,
>> > > >
>> > > > Dare this Quixote ask for the Love, love is strange, of a new Group
>> > Read
>> > > of
>> > > > Vineland?
>> > > >
>> > > > Vineland. America then...and how now?
>> > > >
>> > > > America.
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:27 AM Ian Livingston <
>> > igrlivingston at gmail.com
>> > > >
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Well-thought writing, Raphael. Thank you.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:51 AM Raphael Saltwood <
>> > > >> PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 9:31 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com<
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> https://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/mobile/8?folder=Inbox&msgNum=0000LTW0:001UZnwn000034qb&block=1&msgNature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1586583144#
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> This attachment to innocence and youth, is ubiquitous in
>> american
>> > > art,
>> > > >>>> and with few exceptions (Henry James comes to mind) is at the
>> heart
>> > of
>> > > >>>> American prose fiction, in the so-called novel, and is not
>> something
>> > > >>>> america can grow up and out of  on this side of paradise. Zoyd,
>> of
>> > > >>>> course, is Slothroplike, childish and innocent,  but is, because
>> > it's
>> > > >>>> 1984, though no Big Brother totalitarianism but rather Neoliberal
>> > > >>>> torments him, a working class male trying to raise a daughter in
>> his
>> > > >>>> hippie hair and dress. Like Jim and Huck, naked on the raft, he
>> > floats
>> > > >>>> past the flotsam of what is left in Gatsby's wake, avoiding the
>> > shore
>> > > >>>> as the trees cleared for Gatsby's mansion are clear cut on the
>> other
>> > > >>>> side of Vinland the Good, Zoyd, a member of the Multitude
>> > (Spinozian),
>> > > >>>> can only partake in the picnic of old lefties and young mutants.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> As one matures, if that actually happens,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> one still loves youth and innocence but gradually learns to love
>> it
>> > in
>> > > >>> others, protect it, nurture it.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> If Benny Profane's tale was an anti-Bildungsroman, not learning a
>> g-d
>> > > >>> thing,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> and Slothrop's an anti-Odyssey, the wily voyager morphing beyond
>> the
>> > > >>> possibility of coming home,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Vineland for me has always been Pynchon's first novel with a net
>> > > positive
>> > > >>> developmental theme for the protagonist (I could argue for CoL49 -
>> > the
>> > > >> fact
>> > > >>> that she goes to the auction means she’s beginning to cope...hmmm)
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> (obviously there is much more to V and GR than the protagonist's
>> > > outcome,
>> > > >>> but still...)
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> First action - Zoyd wakes up. Th
>> > >
>> > >
>> > --
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>> >
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