Liss/stepvr 4th roundup - 27/18 April (the cruelest month?) 16th

[Mark Kohut]

It is essential to the depth of his vision. Because we can characterize it
as so humanly "ugly"
which it is, shows that Pynchon sees it in our world. Which it is.
Everywhere.

There cannot be a sadistically driven world of men in power without SOME
women (and the rest of we men) accepting it, even liking it
when you see them with his N. O. Brownian depth.

All his characters are not "round' and natural ones as we have long stated.
Both many men and many women embody in themselves, in
actions within the book, his ideas in many many ways, his vision.

It is NOT the case that Pynchon "likes his female characters liking
abuse"...Many, many who do not....the generalization
does not apply.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 12:53 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> It says a lot bad about VL.  Unlike homophobic scenes in GR, this isn't
> satire. It is a serious portrayal. It is the heart of VL.  It is a polemic
> of sexual dynamics. Pynchon seems to like his female characters liking
> abuse. It happens in Bleeding Edge also.  In GR it is his S&M daisy chain.
> It is a polemic about power dynamics.  That's why I earlier said Pynchon
> writes equations (of power dynamics) instead of narratives about
> characters.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 10:51 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It says a lot about Pynchon...
> >
> > Www.keithdavismusic.com
> >
> > > On Apr 16, 2020, at 11:37 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > >>
> > >> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:12:58 -0500
> > >> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> I really disliked VL's portrayal of Women being
> > >> (down below) weak-knee'd for male dominance.
> > >>
> > >> ----  would you be willing to elaborate?
> > >
> > >
> > > I think most people here don't need me to elaborate.
> > >
> > > Frenesi betrays her most trusted friends and family for Brock Vond.
> That
> > > seems to me the most important turn of events in VL.
> > >
> > > At the end, DL spreads her legs up into the night sky asking for Brock
> to
> > > come take her.
> > >
> > > Both episodes are unexpected and dramatic.  And ugly.
> > >
> > > David Morris
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > > --
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> >
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