LISS/STEPVR 6th roundup (27/20) 4/19/20

[Michael Bailey]

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:36:01 -0400
From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
On my first reread with my sometimes overintense questioning, yes the
defenestration bothered me.

Why? Confused as to place it in context. Context of themes, etc.

------ (a la Dave Monroe, requiescat in pace)
sailor at beginning of V.,
Defenestration of Prague
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague,
https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-defenestrations.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pG9mcUiwXY (kids' song, "Throw it out the
Window")
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Deleuze (also requiescat in pace)



Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:01:40 +0200
From: Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>

Sorry, but it's a sweet defenestration.

------ can't quarrel with that!





Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 11:01:31 -0500
From: Mike <beider19 at comcast.net>
 Zoyd said at the beginning of the book
         "I gotta do somethin', take a look"
         One fine day, he jumped out a window
         They couldn't believe what they saw at all
         They covered it on a local station
        His live was saved by defenestration.

I ain't apologizin'

regards,

Mike

------ thanks for this!






From: Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
To: Jochen Stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>

I agree.

This was a confession.

------ and thus protected.




Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 04:22:08 +0000
From: Raphael Saltwood <PlainMrBotanyB at outlook.com>

2. are you nostalgic for the 60s? What in VL conjures them for you?

well, yes and no. I'm a sucker for narratives from the 60s, and pictures.
and some of the music.
honestly, the most vivid stuff [in the book] is the present-day stuff.

Except maybe Zoyd's wedding, [with] the multicolored ice melting on the
bemused cat.
And Frenesi's escape from PREP, and the Mexican food afterwards....

------ feel nostalgic for the 80s reading _Vineland_? Anyone else besides
me?





Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 06:22:14 -0400
From: ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>

So what's the point of reading Vineland now?

Trump? Me Too? Satire?
https://www.thesatirist.com/books/vineland.html

The Iron Heel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Heel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Plague


------ Trying to remember where I fairly recently read a lengthy novelistic
treatment of Jack London, maybe one of Joyce Carol Oates' oeuvre? And
speaking of others one could be reading, that JCO is, like, one of them,
imho.