A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

[Mark Thibodeau]

Really?

I'm partial to Frank Zappa, myself.

But there's no way I'm arguing music with YOU, Keith!  :-)

Love,
yer old pal Jerky

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:56 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Duke Ellington is America’s greatest composer.
>
> Www.keithdavismusic.com
>
> > On Jul 18, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > For Murray, there was perhaps no greater, no more heroic, no more
> representative American than Ellington.
> >
> > Thanks guys...cool stuff...I couldn’t agree more with Murray about
> Ellington...there is a peace and exuberance in his music that few American
> musicians have been capable of capturing...to me, what Rachmaninoff is to
> Europe and European music, Ellington is to the United States...
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-omni-americans
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >> If anyone is also interested, Thomas chatterton Williams wrote the new
> intro to Murray’s Omni-Americans.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If anyone is interested, Thomas Chatterton Williams is on the Useful
> Idiots
> >>> podcast with Matt Taibbi and
> >>> Katie Halper this weekend.
> >>>
> >>> https://youtu.be/MijFtGQYowg
> >>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It’s probably because nobody wants Ronan Farrow coming after them...
> >>>>
> >>>> But they’re powerful people, those whom were mentioned, and they can
> >>>> shield themselves from harm... the ugly side is when these online
> mobs take
> >>>> out normal people, those that can’t shield themselves with money and
> >>>> power....and its not a Right or Left thing, they all do it... so maybe
> >>>> Weiss should have said no more doxing Internet anons to enable
> violence
> >>>> against them... just a universal disavowing of all political
> violence...
> >>>> but no, that’s the game they all play now...
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the censorship comes not from these vitriolic stone-throwers but
> >>>> from
> >>>>> the bottom-line capitalists who decide that publishing or producing
> work
> >>>>> from Rowling or anyone else hapless enough to be attacked is too
> >>>>> financially risky. Woody Allen's latest movie streams in assorted
> places
> >>>> in
> >>>>> Europe and Asia but no one dares show it in the democratic USA.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:46 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
> >>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> I am certainly not going to wade into the topic either...
> >>>>>>>> Am 17.07.2020 um 11:51 schrieb John Bailey:
> >>>>>>>> I'm not attacking or defending Rowling, or wading into the topic
> she
> >>>>>> waded into.
> >>>>>>> But the angry tweets referred to in Thomas' article aren't
> censorship.
> >>>>>> I am not saying they are. They are misogynist insults, however, hate
> >>>>>> speech and cyber bullying. Of course, the tweets have been selected
> for
> >>>>>> maximum effect, but still.
> >>>>>>> That's what democratic 'open debate' looks like.
> >>>>>> No. This is hate speech, not debate. It should not be censored but
> it
> >>>>>> should certainly also not be treated as a legitimate contribution to
> >>>>>> reasonable debate.
> >>>>>>> If you say something
> >>>>>>> that some people find hateful, some of them might respond in ways
> that
> >>>>>>> you don't like.
> >>>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>>> If you're truly committed to open debate you'll engage
> >>>>>>> in dialogue with these foul dissenters.
> >>>>>> You believe a woman should engage in dialogue with people calling
> her a
> >>>>>> c*nt, inviting her to choke on their d*cks and publicly expressing
> their
> >>>>>> wish to slap her around, smack her up and punch her in the head?
> And if
> >>>>>> she doesn't, she is not committed to "open debate"? Sorry, but this
> is
> >>>>>> ridiculous.
> >>>>>>> Or you can just demonise them. That's a tactic.
> >>>>>> The people who wrote these tweets are not demons but idiots who are
> >>>>>> ideologically blindsided to a degree that makes me almost feel
> sorry for
> >>>>>> them.
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