A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

[David Morris]

Let's not argue.  Let's share.

I'd love to see Keith's links to what is his favorite Ellington recordings.

David Morris

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:57 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Really?
>
> I'm partial to Frank Zappa, myself.
>
> But there's no way I'm arguing music with YOU, Keith!  :-)
>
> Love,
> yer old pal Jerky
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 7:56 PM Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Duke Ellington is America’s greatest composer.
> >
> > Www.keithdavismusic.com
> >
> > > On Jul 18, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > For Murray, there was perhaps no greater, no more heroic, no more
> > representative American than Ellington.
> > >
> > > Thanks guys...cool stuff...I couldn’t agree more with Murray about
> > Ellington...there is a peace and exuberance in his music that few
> American
> > musicians have been capable of capturing...to me, what Rachmaninoff is to
> > Europe and European music, Ellington is to the United States...
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tabletmag.com/amp/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-omni-americans
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >> If anyone is also interested, Thomas chatterton Williams wrote the
> new
> > intro to Murray’s Omni-Americans.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> If anyone is interested, Thomas Chatterton Williams is on the Useful
> > Idiots
> > >>> podcast with Matt Taibbi and
> > >>> Katie Halper this weekend.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://youtu.be/MijFtGQYowg
> > >>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gary Webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It’s probably because nobody wants Ronan Farrow coming after them...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But they’re powerful people, those whom were mentioned, and they can
> > >>>> shield themselves from harm... the ugly side is when these online
> > mobs take
> > >>>> out normal people, those that can’t shield themselves with money and
> > >>>> power....and its not a Right or Left thing, they all do it... so
> maybe
> > >>>> Weiss should have said no more doxing Internet anons to enable
> > violence
> > >>>> against them... just a universal disavowing of all political
> > violence...
> > >>>> but no, that’s the game they all play now...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Laura Kelber <laurakelber at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And the censorship comes not from these vitriolic stone-throwers
> but
> > >>>> from
> > >>>>> the bottom-line capitalists who decide that publishing or producing
> > work
> > >>>>> from Rowling or anyone else hapless enough to be attacked is too
> > >>>>> financially risky. Woody Allen's latest movie streams in assorted
> > places
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>> Europe and Asia but no one dares show it in the democratic USA.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:46 AM Thomas Eckhardt <
> > >>>> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> I am certainly not going to wade into the topic either...
> > >>>>>>>> Am 17.07.2020 um 11:51 schrieb John Bailey:
> > >>>>>>>> I'm not attacking or defending Rowling, or wading into the topic
> > she
> > >>>>>> waded into.
> > >>>>>>> But the angry tweets referred to in Thomas' article aren't
> > censorship.
> > >>>>>> I am not saying they are. They are misogynist insults, however,
> hate
> > >>>>>> speech and cyber bullying. Of course, the tweets have been
> selected
> > for
> > >>>>>> maximum effect, but still.
> > >>>>>>> That's what democratic 'open debate' looks like.
> > >>>>>> No. This is hate speech, not debate. It should not be censored but
> > it
> > >>>>>> should certainly also not be treated as a legitimate contribution
> to
> > >>>>>> reasonable debate.
> > >>>>>>> If you say something
> > >>>>>>> that some people find hateful, some of them might respond in ways
> > that
> > >>>>>>> you don't like.
> > >>>>>> Yes.
> > >>>>>>> If you're truly committed to open debate you'll engage
> > >>>>>>> in dialogue with these foul dissenters.
> > >>>>>> You believe a woman should engage in dialogue with people calling
> > her a
> > >>>>>> c*nt, inviting her to choke on their d*cks and publicly expressing
> > their
> > >>>>>> wish to slap her around, smack her up and punch her in the head?
> > And if
> > >>>>>> she doesn't, she is not committed to "open debate"? Sorry, but
> this
> > is
> > >>>>>> ridiculous.
> > >>>>>>> Or you can just demonise them. That's a tactic.
> > >>>>>> The people who wrote these tweets are not demons but idiots who
> are
> > >>>>>> ideologically blindsided to a degree that makes me almost feel
> > sorry for
> > >>>>>> them.
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> > >>>
> > >>>
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