AtD translation: invested in, invested by

[Mike Jing]

Indeed it is.

I appreciate the reminder, and I'll keep it in mind. Unfortunately,
sometimes wordplay may be impossible to translate, if the languages are
sufficiently different. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to do a better job
than I can.  All I can do is try my best.

Thanks again for the help.


On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:17 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I enjoy participating in your Pynchon text translation questions.  They
> are fun diversions.  But often your questions seem aimed for
> interpretations. That makes sense, of course, but I would suggest you keep
> track of divergent interpretations, and translate to include the ambiguity
> of Pynchon's word and logic games.  Pynchon loves paradox. This "invest in
> - invest by" is pure paradox.  Pynchon at play.  Translating that is a tall
> order.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 8:12 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> So that's indeed the intended sense. Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 5:49 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, if time is endowed with agency, then all its adherents, those
>>> enslave by it’s theories, are “invested by” time.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 1:59 AM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's the first one. What about the second?
>>>>
>>>> I found this in the OED, seems appropriate:
>>>>
>>>> 5. Military.
>>>> a. transitive. To surround (a town, stronghold, etc.) with a hostile
>>>> force, so as to cut off approach, escape, communication, or aid.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:41 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All of the listed groups have ideological investments in different
>>>>> concepts in which Time is a Prime mover and unchangable.  If Time can be
>>>>> manipulated then their entire world views are at risk.
>>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 8:21 PM Mike Jing <
>>>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> P452.6-12   The conferees had gathered here from all around the world,
>>>>>> Russian nihilists with peculiar notions about the laws of history and
>>>>>> reversible processes, Indian swamis concerned with the effect of time
>>>>>> travel on the laws of Karma, Sicilians with equal apprehensions for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> principle of vendetta, American tinkers like Merle with specific
>>>>>> electromechanical questions to clear up. Their spirits all one way or
>>>>>> another invested in, invested by, the siegecraft of Time and its
>>>>>> mysteries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what senses are the two "invested" used, especially the second?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Pynchon-L: https://waste.org/mailman/listinfo/pynchon-l
>>>>>>
>>>>>