AtD translation: invested in, invested by

[Mark Kohut]

Steady quiet heroism. Mike.

I salute you. 

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> On Feb 2, 2021, at 4:20 AM, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Indeed it is.
> 
> I appreciate the reminder, and I'll keep it in mind. Unfortunately,
> sometimes wordplay may be impossible to translate, if the languages are
> sufficiently different. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to do a better job
> than I can.  All I can do is try my best.
> 
> Thanks again for the help.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:17 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> I enjoy participating in your Pynchon text translation questions.  They
>> are fun diversions.  But often your questions seem aimed for
>> interpretations. That makes sense, of course, but I would suggest you keep
>> track of divergent interpretations, and translate to include the ambiguity
>> of Pynchon's word and logic games.  Pynchon loves paradox. This "invest in
>> - invest by" is pure paradox.  Pynchon at play.  Translating that is a tall
>> order.
>> 
>> David Morris
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 8:12 PM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> So that's indeed the intended sense. Thanks for the reply.
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 5:49 AM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, if time is endowed with agency, then all its adherents, those
>>>> enslave by it’s theories, are “invested by” time.
>>>> 
>>>> David Morris
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 1:59 AM Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That's the first one. What about the second?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I found this in the OED, seems appropriate:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5. Military.
>>>>> a. transitive. To surround (a town, stronghold, etc.) with a hostile
>>>>> force, so as to cut off approach, escape, communication, or aid.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 11:41 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> All of the listed groups have ideological investments in different
>>>>>> concepts in which Time is a Prime mover and unchangable.  If Time can be
>>>>>> manipulated then their entire world views are at risk.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 8:21 PM Mike Jing <
>>>>>> gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> P452.6-12   The conferees had gathered here from all around the world,
>>>>>>> Russian nihilists with peculiar notions about the laws of history and
>>>>>>> reversible processes, Indian swamis concerned with the effect of time
>>>>>>> travel on the laws of Karma, Sicilians with equal apprehensions for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> principle of vendetta, American tinkers like Merle with specific
>>>>>>> electromechanical questions to clear up. Their spirits all one way or
>>>>>>> another invested in, invested by, the siegecraft of Time and its
>>>>>>> mysteries.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In what senses are the two "invested" used, especially the second?
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