Dune and psychedelic desert messiahs

[Ian Livingston]

Heh-heh. Heh-heh. 


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> On Oct 24, 2021, at 2:57 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Beavis sez, “Market Cume!”
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 4:46 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> To the hope Dune is a big hit. I believed as soon as I saw how many
>> Plisters, the eye of
>> the market maybe-- for the non-young anyway, had seen it opening weekend
>> that it was
>> a BIG HIT.
>> 
>> It is. With that bump that studios and the director love to see: an
>> increase after opening that
>> is usually caused by good word-of-mouth.
>> 
>> https://deadline.com/2021/10/dune-china-uk-korea-opening-international-box-office-1234860686/
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 4:13 PM Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Correct. The protagonist's visionary inclination is well established
>> > considerably before his first contact with the psychoactive qualities of
>> > the "spice". In fact, I don't recall any reference to hallucinatory
>> > effects. That is imposed by trip-seeking viewers.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 1:09 PM Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > It does not rely on tripping.
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:51 PM David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Good to hear it’s not a dog.  Early reviews said it was either sublime
>> > or
>> > > > an overwrought-yet empty mess.  Sounds like it relies on tripping?
>> > THAT
>> > > > could be a mess (usually is in film).
>> > > >
>> > > >  Thanks
>> > > > DM
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 3:44 PM Bruno <bruno.laze at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Saw it yesterday as well. A shout-out to Villeneuve's fidelity to
>> > early
>> > > > > sci-fi aesthetics.  Reminds me of John Harris and pre-90s book
>> > covers.
>> > > > > Villeneuve shows much skill in making authorial, fringe ergotic
>> > sci-fi.
>> > > > > What not to love when a genre goes artistic?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Space travel: spice. A hallucinogen. To travel light is to get rid of
>> > > > brain
>> > > > > patterns.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Le sam. 23 oct. 2021 à 12:50, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> a
>> > écrit
>> > > :
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Went to see Dune last night, mostly Williams College kids
>> > attending,
>> > > > > > needed some escapist nonsense. It was well done I thought, good
>> > > acting,
>> > > > > > good music and sound effects if slightly over the top with the big
>> > > > drums.
>> > > > > > Visually severe, engaging, ominous in story-appropriateriate ways.
>> > I
>> > > > > > wondered if the whole heroic desert freedom fighters with Islamic
>> > > style
>> > > > > > might shake up the imagination of young watchers shaped by
>> > > anti-Muslim
>> > > > > > cultural atmosphere. Stayed quite close to the book, more
>> > condensed.
>> > > > Not
>> > > > > > sure visionary psychedelic messiahs leading desert rebels against
>> > the
>> > > > > > exploitation of a cruel empire has serious relevance, but it could
>> > > be a
>> > > > > lot
>> > > > > > worse. It is only half the first book.
>> > > > > >   I thought Herbert made a big mistake killing off the ecologist
>> > > when I
>> > > > > re
>> > > > > > read the book most of a year ago. I still think so, too central as
>> > a
>> > > > > > redeeming theme.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I have an increasingly hard time with big Iron machines traveling
>> > > light
>> > > > > > years through space while people fight with swords.  We are so
>> > > fucking
>> > > > > far
>> > > > > > from real space travel.
>> > > > > >
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