Ukraine

Sun Feb 12 20:20:55 UTC 2023

"...of 20,000 dead Russians, 6,500 happened last week,LOL"

Golly.

I'm not going to comment on the wisdom - or lack thereof - in getting one's
news from Twitter. Nor about the entirely bogus-looking source that has
"Breathe" as a headline on its higgledy piggledy website.

But "20,000 dead LOL"

That's amusing?

>From a European perspective: My goodness.

Tara

On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 at 13:38, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> of 20,000 dead Russians, 6,500 happened last week,LOL, all sources are
> estimating. (Ukraine counts only verified bodies)
>
> https://twitter.com/imminent_news/status/1624760074018123777?s=20&t=3-hJ5A1pE-CTL5LFrMTADA
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 9:51 PM Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > Your only valid point is that ‘ethnic Russians’ is an oversimplification
> > though there are many ethnic Russians and there is a great deal of
> > intermarriage and a strong majority who speak Russian which is a
> cultural
> > statement. The thing is they did not accept the coup as valid and were
> > attacked both culturally and militarily after the coup. They also led the
> > original fighting with  actual Ukrainian fascists who adorn themselves
> with
> > Nazi insignias and regulalrly heroize Stephan Bandera . The people of the
> > Donbass fought and  voted for their current status  and continue to
> defend
> > their choices.
> >
> > Calling the professional observers of the UN sponsored OCSE “Rascist"
> > propagandists is a pretty low level of argument. But that seems to be
> what
> > you are left with.
> >
> > Then it appears you want us to belive that the people of the Donbass were
> > shelling themselves.  Please. Like the Russians blew a hole in their own
> > pipeline. Sure.
> >
> > Saying "I thought they were Russians" is weak also, they were still part
> > of Ukraine and remained so  after the Minsk accords, which both sides
> > agreed to, but which Eastern Ukraine and Germany saw only as a way to buy
> > time to rebuild Ukraines military. Super Scummy.
> >
> >
> > As to your background expertise I  don’t know or trust you, but let
> others
> > decide for themselves. Your proposed concern for the Ukrainian people
> looks
> > completely non-credible to me.I warned early in the course of the
> conflict
> > and its discussion on the list that your ideas, reflecting exactly the US
> > and Zelensky positions was going to cost the people of Ukraine
> enormously
> > and accomplish nothing to return the Donbass or Crimea. After 180-200
> > thousand  Ukrainian dead, and total dead and wounded up to 300 thousand+
> > Ukrainian casualties, and with the far smaller  20 thousand Russian
> deaths
> > and all military progress having been made by Russia, my asessment
> stands.
> > Feeding Ukrainians into this proxy war is sickening and you still seem to
> > support it.
> >
> > Your step down from argument to insult  is not particulalry persuasive.
> “
> > conspiracy bullshit, Racist propaganda,  ignorant”
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 2023, at 9:46 AM, Martin Dietze <mdietze at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I really did not want to react to this conspiracy bullshit anymore,
> > >
> > > On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 at 15:25, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> *"On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops
> into
> > >> Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area *
> > >
> > >
> > > Wrong. This is simply made up. Sources trace back to Rashist
> propaganda.
> > >
> > >
> > > *(in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians.*
> > >
> > >
> > > Wrong. You want to catch up with the region's history, also learn
> > > understand that in postcolonial societies primary language of
> > communication
> > > not necessarily corresponds to ethnicity or even self-perceived
> identity.
> > >
> > > Mike Whitney (and you, since you share his text) really has no clue
> about
> > > Ukraine. Him being an editor on Eastern Europe does not mean a thing
> > here,
> > > because Eastern Europe is not exactly small, and traditionally people
> > have
> > > concentrated on Russia and adapted Russian narratives on other Eastern
> > > European countries.
> > >
> > > His nonsense fits well into some people's (ignorant) beliefs. That's
> how
> > > people start being considered "experts" nowadays. Ouch.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> * Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security
> > and
> > >> Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time
> > and
> > >> kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE
> discovered
> > >> was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on
> > until
> > >> it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery
> > strikes
> > >> were recorded. *
> > >
> > >
> > > Yup, there may have been shelling, but not by Ukrainian forces.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas
> > >> along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.” *
> > >
> > >
> > > I thought it was Russians living there? Mike seems confused. Doesn't
> > > surprise me.
> > >
> > >
> > > * While it might be in vogue for people, organizations, and governments
> > in
> > >> the West to embrace the knee-jerk conclusion that Russia’s military
> > >> intervention constitutes a wanton violation of the United Nations
> > Charter
> > >> and, as such, constitutes an illegal war of aggression,*
> > >
> > >
> > > It is. What else should this be?
> > >
> > >
> > >> * the uncomfortable truth is that, of all the claims made regarding
> the
> > >> legality of pre-emption under Article 51 of the United Nations
> Charter,
> > >> Russia’s justification for invading Ukraine is on solid legal ground.”
> > >> (“Russia, Ukraine & the Law of War: Crime of Aggression
> > >> <
> >
> https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/29/russia-ukraine-the-law-of-war-crime-of-aggression/
> > >> <
> >
> https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/29/russia-ukraine-the-law-of-war-crime-of-aggression/
> > >>**”,
> > >> Consortium News)*
> > >>
> > >
> > > Scott Ritter. This time not for RT but consortiumnews. That changes
> > > everything, doesn't it?
> > >
> > > This whole stuff is just so ridiculous that it should really be
> ignored.
> > >
> > > End of transmission.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Martin Dietze
> > > [https://www.martins-braindumps.de/]
> > >
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> > >
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