NP; looks like the Dem Primary is kinda like Iceland Sparring.....

[David Morris]

Laura,

Just to clarify, I never said I supported Obama over Hillary.  I only
pointed out to Jill that arguing Obama's versus Hillary's positions or
voting record are beside the point.  The only meaningful point in the
primaries SHOULD be electability.  That was the issue Henry addressed,
and though I think pushing a candidate on the P-list is inappropriate,
at least Henry hit the central issue.  And as far as voting records
go, we know that only one of the two can say to McCain that he never
voted for the Iraq war, a pretty central electability issue, I'd say.

That said, I do note that your whole post below spins on that central issue.

David Morris

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:04 AM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Surprise, surprise.  The men on the list are more likely to support Obama, while we women are more likely to support Hillary.
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> Sure, Obama's got the black vote and the affluent liberal vote sewn up.  So did Gore and Kerry.  But he showed last night that he couldn't win over white working class and Hispanic voters (neither could Gore or Kerry).  Hillary has the best chance of winning over these crucial voters during the general election.  There's a lot of noise about the Indy and liberal Republican men who plan to vote for Obama (or who at least say they'll vote for him).  They may think differently when the Rove machine starts screeching (incorrectly) about what a commie liberal Obama is.  In the privacy of the voting booth, these so-called Republican swing voters are likely to vote for McCain.
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> Obviously, there's been a whole Hillary-bashing industry and religion going strong for 15 years.  Yet in the midst of this virulence, Hillary was able to win over the Republican voters of upstate NY.  She ran for re-election virtually unopposed among these people.  She did this by doing her homework -- visiting their small towns again and again and trying to deliver on modest promises where she could.  In addition, the gender gap is plenty strong among Republicans and for every Republican man who says he'll vote for Obama there's a Republican woman who actually will vote for Hillary.
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> The gender gap among progressive white men and women is disturbing to me (for example, the Seattle city council couldn't endorse a candidate because they were evenly split: women for Hillary, men for Obama.  It would be nice if some of the progressive men would do some soul-searching about why this gap exists.
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