Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré

[Robert Mahnke]

Le Carre's novels are often about how espionage chews people up and spits
them out.  Fleming's novels are adolescent wish-fulfillment.  I have enjoyed
them both, but it should be no secret why Le Carre dislikes Bond -- it's the
antithesis of what he's devoted himself to.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:29 PM, <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:

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>       OK, pardon  my "conflated" lines. I wonder why you bothered to
> sketch an answer though. No need for it really.
> Yet, to get back to my point, you still avoid to answer my dilemma. Perhaps
> you are incapable of doing so.
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> you wrote:
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> >as Bond was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
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> As Le Carre clearly associates Bond with 'gangsterism', I still wonder if you think that gangsterism, as long as is fighting 'totalitarians', is, according to you morally acceptable. It seems it is, I dare say, as you indirectly applaud 'gangster' Bond for his anti-totalitarian stance. Yet you seem to be at loss when it comes to justify the rationale behind it. I am not responsible for your muddled thoughts so the cheap trick of insinuating I am calling you names is really a puerile diversion. It does not amount to an answer.
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> Personally I think that 'gangsterism' and totalitarianism are closely related. So, how can you fight something/someone that is closely related to you?
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> Unless it is a fratricide-like fight. Quite absurd. That is why Bond is in many respects an absurd, lifeless, counterfeited, artificial character.
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> No wonder LeCarre dislikes him so intensely and rightly so.
>
> Anyway...
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> > James  <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7948363/James-Bond-was-a-neo-fascist-gangster-says-John-Le-Carre.html>*Bond <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7948363/James-Bond-was-a-neo-fascist-gangster-says-John-Le-Carre.html>* was a neo-fascist  <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7948363/James-Bond-was-a-neo-fascist-gangster-says-John-Le-Carre.html>*gangster <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7948363/James-Bond-was-a-neo-fascist-gangster-says-John-Le-Carre.html>*, says John  <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7948363/James-Bond-was-a-neo-fascist-gangster-says-John-Le-Carre.html>*Le Carré <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7948363/James-Bond-was-a-neo-fascist-gangster-says-John-Le-Carre.html>* - Telegraph <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/7948363/James-Bond-was-a-neo-fascist-gangster-says-John-Le-Carre.html>
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> -----Original Message-----From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
> To: Pynchon Liste <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 4:18 pm
>
> Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>
>  Your name-calling crazy-talk conflation barely deserves an answer.
> How can you read Pynchon and not appreciate the nuances of appropriate
> actions.
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> AsB4,
> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
> Henry Muhttp://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
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> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, <mfarcas at mail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians" is,
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> according to you, acceptable!
> >
> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
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> > was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alright then. So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians" is,
> according to you, acceptable!
> >
> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
> >
> >
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> >
> > M. Farcas <mfarcas at mail.com>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 1:48 pm
> > Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
> >
> > Yeah, but calling someone a fascist when they're just being bossy is
> > rather juvenile.  I assume that Le Carre meant fascist in the
> > totalitation sense, in which case I disagree with him, as Bond was
> > pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
> >
> > AsB4,
> > ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
> > Henry Mu
> > http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
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> >
> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM,  <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>When you think about it, why does Bond need to specify "not stirred"
> > >
> > > when he's already asked for his martini to be shaken.  What a fascist!
> >
> > > True! It is this obsolete and absurd Bond pedantry-cum-cruelty/faux
> > > perfectionism (which is a hallmark of Fascism/Neo Nazism) that pisses me
> > > off.
> > >
> > > And the choice of actors (more and more macho-agressive lately, think Daniel
> > > Craig and his frozen mask-like facial muscles) fits the tableau.
> > >
> > > There is something of a steely, helmet wearing Wermacht soldier about DC in
> > > spite of the actor wearing civilian clothes.
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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