Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré

[rich]

fwiw I'd rather read the Flashman stories about the great game than
against the day. its alot funnier

so there

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Robert Mahnke <rpmahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
> Le Carre's novels are often about how espionage chews people up and spits
> them out.  Fleming's novels are adolescent wish-fulfillment.  I have enjoyed
> them both, but it should be no secret why Le Carre dislikes Bond -- it's the
> antithesis of what he's devoted himself to.
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:29 PM, <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> OK, pardon  my "conflated" lines. I wonder why you bothered to sketch an
>> answer though. No need for it really.
>> Yet, to get back to my point, you still avoid to answer my dilemma.
>> Perhaps you are incapable of doing so.
>>
>> you wrote:
>>
>> >as Bond was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>>
>> As Le Carre clearly associates Bond with 'gangsterism', I still wonder if
>> you think that gangsterism, as long as is fighting 'totalitarians', is,
>> according to you morally acceptable. It seems it is, I dare say, as you
>> indirectly applaud 'gangster' Bond for his anti-totalitarian stance. Yet you
>> seem to be at loss when it comes to justify the rationale behind it. I am
>> not responsible for your muddled thoughts so the cheap trick of insinuating
>> I am calling you names is really a puerile diversion. It does not amount to
>> an answer.
>>
>> Personally I think that 'gangsterism' and totalitarianism are closely
>> related. So, how can you fight something/someone that is closely related to
>> you?
>>
>> Unless it is a fratricide-like fight. Quite absurd. That is why Bond is in
>> many respects an absurd, lifeless, counterfeited, artificial character.
>>
>> No wonder LeCarre dislikes him so intensely and rightly so.
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> > James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré - Telegraph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>> To: Pynchon Liste <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 4:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>>
>> Your name-calling crazy-talk conflation barely deserves an answer.
>> How can you read Pynchon and not appreciate the nuances of appropriate
>> actions.
>>
>> AsB4,
>> ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>> Henry Mu
>> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:12 AM, <mfarcas at mail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > >So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians" is,
>>
>> according to you, acceptable!
>> >
>> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
>>
>> > was pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Alright then. So gangsterism, as long as is fighting "totalitarians" is,
>> according to you, acceptable!
>> >
>> > I am really seduced by your rationale, Henry!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >
>> > M. Farcas <mfarcas at mail.com>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> > From: Henry M <scuffling at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 1:48 pm
>> > Subject: Re: James Bond was a neo-fascist gangster, says John Le Carré
>> >
>> > Yeah, but calling someone a fascist when they're just being bossy is
>> > rather juvenile.  I assume that Le Carre meant fascist in the
>> > totalitation sense, in which case I disagree with him, as Bond was
>> > pretty much always fighting against totalitarians.
>> >
>> > AsB4,
>> > ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
>> > Henry Mu
>> > http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:50 AM,  <mfarcas at mail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>When you think about it, why does Bond need to specify "not stirred"
>> > >
>> > > when he's already asked for his martini to be shaken.  What a fascist!
>> >
>> > > True! It is this obsolete and absurd Bond pedantry-cum-cruelty/faux
>> > > perfectionism (which is a hallmark of Fascism/Neo Nazism) that pisses
>> > > me
>> > > off.
>> > >
>> > > And the choice of actors (more and more macho-agressive lately, think
>> > > Daniel
>> > > Craig and his frozen mask-like facial muscles) fits the tableau.
>> > >
>> > > There is something of a steely, helmet wearing Wermacht soldier about
>> > > DC in
>> > > spite of the actor wearing civilian clothes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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