M & D Deep Duck. Go East, Young Man.

[Mark Kohut]

Note to myself: Dear Host---stop commenting on everyone else's posts,
let them be, let them unfold, it is bad List form (I say)

BUT
this post expresses well my simplistic remark about the East and
'ideas' that differ from going west---which has lots of the
connotations surely that Laura adumbrated...westward as the only way
to 'growth', to Empire-building and more, for example.

Thanks and back to new posting.

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Johnny Marr <marrja at gmail.com> wrote:
> Another alternative take - doesn't Cherrycoke simply regard the East as a
> more glamorous and intrinsically mystical place than the Americas? Asia
> would already have long established associations with the Spice Road, Marco
> Polo, the Byzantines, the great intricacies of Indian culture etc whereas
> the Americas may have been viewed in 18th century Britain as a terra infirma
> being squabbled over by slave trade profiteers and Puritans.
>
> I think Pynchon's trying to emphasise 18th century America as something of
> an unformed backwater which few contemporary Britons (perhaps not even Mason
> & Dixon) would have contemplated blossoming into the world's leading power.
>
> On Saturday, January 10, 2015, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> LOL!  Good stuff there -  thanks! :-)
>>
>> Bekah
>> > On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:01 PM, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Clinton I didnt inhale
>> >
>> > The reference to seeing Jean Crapaud (hard not to think of Crapper) is a
>> > reference to what happens in upcoming Part 4: the Seahorse, en route to
>> > Sumatra, will be attacked by a French military ship in the English Channel.
>> > A frightening experience that will make Cherrycoke, Mason and Dixon need to
>> > run for the crapper.
>> >
>> > Laura
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com>
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:40 AM, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> And, of course, the behest to not inhale the hemp is a jest about Bill
>> >>> Clinton.
>> >>>
>> >>> LK
>> >>
>> >> This is so multi-layered - where's up?
>> >>
>> >> But on the next page (?) there's a lament from Cherrycoke that he will
>> >> "... not be receiving Guidance from Lamas old as Time"  he'd be seeing "Jean
>> >> Crapaud" with guns and a lesson.
>> >>
>> >> The Lamas are old Hindu teachers,  like gurus.
>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lama
>> >>
>> >> Jack Crapaud is derogatory slang for Frenchman - it means "toad."
>> >> Cherrycoke may be heading to the French & Indian war.
>> >>
>> >> Bekah
>> > -
>> > Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
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